Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

Labour party gives the impression that it has been taken over by Momentum, Unite and the trio: Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott.
Until that lot is replaced, Labour is not going anywhere.

But they are embracing it and promoting it as the way forwards. Long-Bailey gave Corbyn 10/10 after the GE defeat. In other words, his policy and choice of shadow ministers was flawless. She is the front runner!

Love him or loath him, Blair is the only Labour leader to win a GE since Harold Wilson, so he must have said something that voters liked. Mention his name within Labour now and they will spit on you and call you racist scum. They’ve completely lost the plot.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think everyone will agree with your assessment of the present government. However, as if it were possible, people view Labour policy and competence as being even worse. The proof of that was in the G.E. result. People know BJ is a liar, that his track record is not good and that he is surrounded by some undesirable people, but they find Labour’s vision and first team lineup so appallingly unattractive, that they vote for the poorly performing liar. It’s the better option in their eyes.

Labour have not yet realised this. They are blaming the voters for not liking them and believe that if they insult and patronise them enough, whilst regurgitating the same policy, they will come around. They can’t get to grips with the fact that no one wants their ideas.

Actually there are more that don't want the Conservatives views in reality, and really I can't see why Corbyn's plans were any more far fetched, in fact most of them were not merely practical but necessary.
Frankly anyone voting for the Conservatives has made the biggest mistake of their lives, as unfolding events are proving.
They haven't got a plan, just a raft of loony schemes.
Imagine this, the same party that took three years to accept an already rejected withdrawal bill insists it will open multiple simultaneous trade deal with anyone dumb enough to listen?
They can't even manage to make a dog's breakfast with just the one that matters, even with the best will in the world on the part of the EU.
The notion no one wanted their ideas is classic right wing propaganda
This is the reality

The truth is that the middle aged and elderly voted for them, the young rejected them as Trump would say "Bigly!"
So no more misleading statements that "No one wanted their ideas" if you don't mind.

 

[flecc]

Tommy was welcomed to the Parliament of Denmark by Danish MP Marie Krarup of the Dansk Folkeparti.

This is the Danish government who until very recently fully protected the rights of paedophiles to have child pornography easily available, while ignoring the rights of the children often being appallingly sexually abused in the material.

Tommy thanked the Danish parliament for allowing him to speak . It's an hour long including video clips of his critics but I think it will be worthwhile listening.

Nothing this racist coward has to say is worthwhile. The last time I attempted to listen though one of his long speeches it was nothing but a protracted self-pitying whine from someone who thinks the world is conspiring against him.

The world doesn't think him important enough to bother with.
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[flecc]

The truth is that the middle aged and elderly voted for them, the young rejected them as Trump would say "Bigly!"
So no more misleading statements that "No one wanted their ideas" if you don't mind.

Indeed, which is why I posted that the Torys have a turning point coming up as those newly gained older Leave voters start dying off. The anti-Brexit young won't readily be changing their minds as they age, especially when the downsides of Brexit become ever more apparent.
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[Zlatan]

Actually there are more that don't want the Conservatives views in reality, and really I can't see why Corbyn's plans were any more far fetched, in fact most of them were not merely practical but necessary.
Frankly anyone voting for the Conservatives has made the biggest mistake of their lives, as unfolding events are proving.
They haven't got a plan, just a raft of loony schemes.
Imagine this, the same party that took three years to accept an already rejected withdrawal bill insists it will open multiple simultaneous trade deal with anyone dumb enough to listen?
They can't even manage to make a dog's breakfast with just the one that matters, even with the best will in the world on the part of the EU.
The notion no one wanted their ideas is classic right wing propaganda
This is the reality

The truth is that the middle aged and elderly voted for them, the young rejected them as Trump would say "Bigly!"
So no more misleading statements that "No one wanted their ideas" if you don't mind.

You are right, saying nobody wanted their policies is wrong, but for every 2 who did 3 wanted Cinservatives.
The point you miss OG is that having right policies is only half story. You need policies people want and a group of people capable of achieving them. Like you know I liked Labour manifesto and spending plan, and consequently I reluctantly voted for them, but I knew they were incapable of achieving anything.
Come on OG, can you imagine country now being run by McCluskey, Abbott and McDonel.
Its pointless having a go at anything Boris does, like we, ve said so many times there simply was no alternative and way things are going when that alternative arrives it will have nothing at all to do with Labour.

 

[flecc]

way things are going when that alternative arrives it will have nothing at all to do with Labour.

Indeed we could well drift in the American direction politically with a Democrat alternative. That could be born out of the LibDems, who have had many past guises and names, combined with moderate Labour.

Much though depends on the economic future. If we are affluent that could happen, but if the economic future is harsh, the left will rise again in strength and get widespread support.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

Actually there are more that don't want the Conservatives views in reality, and really I can't see why Corbyn's plans were any more far fetched, in fact most of them were not merely practical but necessary.
Frankly anyone voting for the Conservatives has made the biggest mistake of their lives, as unfolding events are proving.
They haven't got a plan, just a raft of loony schemes.
Imagine this, the same party that took three years to accept an already rejected withdrawal bill insists it will open multiple simultaneous trade deal with anyone dumb enough to listen?
They can't even manage to make a dog's breakfast with just the one that matters, even with the best will in the world on the part of the EU.
The notion no one wanted their ideas is classic right wing propaganda
This is the reality

The truth is that the middle aged and elderly voted for them, the young rejected them as Trump would say "Bigly!"
So no more misleading statements that "No one wanted their ideas" if you don't mind.

OK, poor choice of words. Not enough people want Labour’s ideas for them to win a GE.

That won’t change unless Labour changes, which, from listening to what they say, I can’t see happening anytime soon.

 

[Woosh]

Actually there are more that don't want the Conservatives views in reality, and really I can't see why Corbyn's plans were any more far fetched, in fact most of them were not merely practical but necessary.
Frankly anyone voting for the Conservatives has made the biggest mistake of their lives, as unfolding events are proving.
They haven't got a plan, just a raft of loony schemes.
Imagine this, the same party that took three years to accept an already rejected withdrawal bill insists it will open multiple simultaneous trade deal with anyone dumb enough to listen?
They can't even manage to make a dog's breakfast with just the one that matters, even with the best will in the world on the part of the EU.
The notion no one wanted their ideas is classic right wing propaganda
This is the reality

The truth is that the middle aged and elderly voted for them, the young rejected them as Trump would say "Bigly!"
So no more misleading statements that "No one wanted their ideas" if you don't mind.

Labour share of the votes drop from the age of 30 onward.
Could the explanation be that is the age that most of us start to contribute more in taxes than take out in services and the issue of funding becomes better understood?
Although I like re-nationalisation, free education, state funding of social care, more spending on the NHS, I can't see any party doing it without increasing general taxation, least of all a Labour government.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Labour share of the votes drop from the age of 30 onward.
Could the explanation be that is the age that most of us start to contribute more in taxes than take out in services and the issue of funding becomes better understood?
Although I like re-nationalisation, free education, state funding of social care, more spending on the NHS, I can't see any party doing it without increasing general taxation, least of all a Labour government.

a good way to road-test ones preference is to go and live in a US city like Detroit for a year. I prefer to pay more taxes and not live in a community where a low tax regime and lack of state revenue has made crime and health and social care such an issue that there's the general ambience of an open prison

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Actually there are more that don't want the Conservatives views in reality, and really I can't see why Corbyn's plans were any more far fetched, in fact most of them were not merely practical but necessary.
Frankly anyone voting for the Conservatives has made the biggest mistake of their lives, as unfolding events are proving.
They haven't got a plan, just a raft of loony schemes.
Imagine this, the same party that took three years to accept an already rejected withdrawal bill insists it will open multiple simultaneous trade deal with anyone dumb enough to listen?
They can't even manage to make a dog's breakfast with just the one that matters, even with the best will in the world on the part of the EU.
The notion no one wanted their ideas is classic right wing propaganda
This is the reality

The truth is that the middle aged and elderly voted for them, the young rejected them as Trump would say "Bigly!"
So no more misleading statements that "No one wanted their ideas" if you don't mind.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

This probably explains the shape of your chart.

 

[flecc]

a good way to road-test ones preference is to go and live in a US city like Detroit for a year. I prefer to pay more taxes and not live in a community where a low tax regime and lack of state revenue has made crime and health and social care such an issue that there's the general ambience of an open prison

And then go and live in Sweden where the level of taxation is extremely high but the people have a good life in a very equal society and are considered some of the happiest in the world.

There's absolutely no doubt which system works the best when properly done.
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[flecc]

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

It's called the selfish society.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

And then go and live in Sweden where the level of taxation is extremely high but the people have a good life in a very equal society and are considered some of the happiest in the world.

There's absolutely no doubt which system works the best when properly done.
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I’d say a population density of 25 / Km2 compared to our 274 / Km2, and rising fast has a lot to do with it. When you have space and wilderness, it makes you happy, regardless of money.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

It's called the selfish society.
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.... or realisation and taking responsibility for you life and actions.

 

[Danidl]

It's called the selfish society.
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There is nothing intrinsically wrong with selfish... It just depends on how one defines "self" . At my stage in life it includes family and locality. I have often queried how truly althrustic motives are, and how much is just enlightened self interest.

 

[oldgroaner]

You are right, saying nobody wanted their policies is wrong, but for every 2 who did 3 wanted Cinservatives.
The point you miss OG is that having right policies is only half story. You need policies people want and a group of people capable of achieving them. Like you know I liked Labour manifesto and spending plan, and consequently I reluctantly voted for them, but I knew they were incapable of achieving anything.
Come on OG, can you imagine country now being run by McCluskey, Abbott and McDonel.
Its pointless having a go at anything Boris does, like we, ve said so many times there simply was no alternative and way things are going when that alternative arrives it will have nothing at all to do with Labour.

Don't bet on it!

 

[oldgroaner]

I’d say a population density of 25 / Km2 compared to our 274 / Km2, and rising fast has a lot to do with it. When you have space and wilderness, it makes you happy, regardless of money.

Welcome to Scotland

 

[oldgroaner]

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.

This probably explains the shape of your chart.

You would love that to be true in self justification for having voted Tory, wouldn't you?
Not a convincing argument

 

[flecc]

I’d say a population density of 25 / Km2 compared to our 274 / Km2, and rising fast has a lot to do with it. When you have space and wilderness, it makes you happy, regardless of money.

Not really, the population in Sweden, as it is in Norway, is densely clustered in the more southerly areas, due to the northern latitude.

"In September 2018 the total population in Sweden amounted to 10 207 086 inhabitants. The population is very unevenly distributed over the country with most of the people aggregated to the southern third of the country."

Some 88% are in Urban areas. It's the fairness of their equitable society which is widely accepted to be the source of the Swede's happiness, having little cause for envy, jealousy or resentment.
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[Barry Shittpeas]

You would love that to be true in self justification for having voted Tory, wouldn't you?
Not a convincing argument

Your chart indicates that the older the voter, the more likely they are to vote Conservative. I’m just putting forward a theory as to why that happens. That’s just the way things roll.