Brexit, for once some facts.

Barry Shittpeas

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Even the Telegraph says:
Politics latest news: Downing Street pulls plug on Big Ben Brexit bongs
This is very Brexit appropriate. After all of the promises of easy trade deals, £350 million/ week & the taking back control of something, we are left with, “you can have a few bongs.” But if you want the bongs, you can pay for them yourself. Sort of sums Brexit up really.
 

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This is very Brexit appropriate. After all of the promises of easy trade deals, £350 million/ week & the taking back control of something, we are left with, “you can have a few bongs.” But if you want the bongs, you can pay for them yourself. Sort of sums Brexit up really.
They really should invite cross-party support - e.g. from Rebecca Bong-Daily.
 

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The Irish Border thing is starting to raise its head again. The Belfast Telegraph has a major article, now that there is something approaching politics in NI.
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M Barnier insists that goods coming from UK to NI need to be customs checked. B. Johnson appears to accept this.
2. B. Johnson insists that goods coming via NI will not be subject to inspection on landing in mainland UK. M. Barnier,and presumably 500 million people in the EU have no problem with that.

I think HMRC will have a different view regarding #2
 
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oldgroaner

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You now have the evidence of the way the press will react when Brexit bad news is published


Everything will be the fault of "Remainers"
And what a good way of diverting the public from asking awkward questions!
Till we rejoin the EU all that goes wrong will be the fault of remainers!
 

oldgroaner

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The Irish Border thing is starting to raise its head again. The Belfast Telegraph has a major article, now that there is something approaching politics in NI.
1.
M Barnier insists that goods coming from UK to NI need to be customs checked. B. Johnson appears to accept this.
2. B. Johnson insists that goods coming via NI will not be subject to inspection on landing in mainland UK. M. Barnier,and presumably 500 million people in the EU have no problem with that.

I think HMRC will have a different view regarding #2
Brexiteers will have no clue as to what any of those terms mean!
 

oyster

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That it took a ferret to find this out - rather than being openly declared and explained - seems typical of recent governments. Even if no-one else said anything, she should have admitted/claimed the issue and her not doing so is a strong indicator that she she not be involved in the inquiry.

Boris Johnson's pick to help lead Grenfell inquiry linked to cladding firm
Exclusive: Survivors and bereaved call Benita Mehra appointment ‘a slap in the face’
Boris Johnson appointed a key figure to the Grenfell Tower inquiry who has links to the company which made the cladding blamed for accelerating the fatal fire, the Guardian can reveal.

Last month, the prime minister picked Benita Mehra, an engineer, to assist Sir Martin Moore-Bick, a retired judge who is leading the inquiry into the disaster that claimed 72 lives. Mehra previously ran an organisation that received a £71,000 grant from the charitable arm of Arconic, the US conglomerate that made the aluminium composite cladding panels used on Grenfell.

The inquiry has already found that Arconic’s polyethelyne-filled panels were “the principal reason why the flames spread so rapidly up the building”. The Arconic Foundation’s board of directors includes several senior Arconic executives and its stated goal is to support the company’s mission by making grants in countries where it trades.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/16/benita-mehra-grenfell-inquiry-boris-johnson-appoints-engineer-with-links-to-cladding-firm
 

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An interesting fact that I didn't previously know:

364,516 more Londoners voted for Brexit (leave EU) than voted for Mayor Sadiq Khan.
 

oyster

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An interesting fact that I didn't previously know:

364,516 more Londoners voted for Brexit (leave EU) than voted for Mayor Sadiq Khan.
Considerably higher turnout (as a percentage) for the referendum than the mayoral election.

Even more voted Remain.

More voted for Kahn, as a percentage and as an absolute number, in first, second and overall, than voted for BJ when he won.

Having a transferable vote system can make a large difference to first round votes.
 

oldgroaner

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Wonder if this one will last.
Till Trump throws a "Wobbler?"
This part was interesting
"Further problems may be caused by China’s pledge to buy an extra $200bn of American goods and services over the next two years, on top of a baseline of $187bn in purchases in 2017. "

You have to wonder what crumbs will be left on the table for us with this sort of competition going on!
 
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Till Trump throws a "Wobbler?"
This part was interesting
"Further problems may be caused by China’s pledge to buy an extra $200bn of American goods and services over the next two years, on top of a baseline of $187bn in purchases in 2017. "

You have to wonder what crumbs will be left on the table for us with this sort of competition going on!
My bet is our trade deals with US will involve Chinese goods. Lots of stuff we now buy from States originates in China. (About 5 years ago I bought a container full of "Wakeboard Towers" (attach to ski boats to raise towing point) In theory they were American. They were out of same factory as European ones... All built in China.
A couple of years later I sent drawings to China to get some more made. Reply... We already make them. Sent me 5...Identical again. They are fantastic too. Welding perfect, anodising spot on. Perfect dinensions, packed well and under half what I, d pay here for them even including carriage. Dont know how they do it.
 
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Dont know how they do it.
1. cheap land given to them by the local authorities
2. easy foreign currency account - to stash money in HK
3. low pollution control
4. cheap and spacious buildings. Plenty of my suppliers claim to have 50,000+ sqm space in their factory. How many UK companies have such luxuries?
5. easy access to plenty of intermediate part manufacturers.
 
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Danidl

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1. cheap land given to them by the local authorities
2. easy foreign currency account - to stash money in HK
3. low pollution control
4. cheap and spacious buildings. Plenty of my suppliers claim to have 50,000+ sqm space in their factory. How many UK companies have such luxuries?
5. easy access to plenty of intermediate part manufacturers.
I would suggest that #5 is the key one.
 
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The following , taken from todays Irish Times needs to be considered carefully in London.

" EU Commissioner Phil Hogan has warned Britain that negotiations with the United States over a trade deal post-Brexit will be more difficult than expected.

“It won’t be as easy as the United Kingdom thinks,” he said in Washington. Asked at an event at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies if there was a need for trilateral negotiations between the US, UK and the EU on the issue, Mr Hogan replied: “There’ll be no three-way negotiation. That’s a matter for the United Kingdom and the United States.”
Mr Hogan was speaking during his first visit to Washington since his appointment as the EU’s trade commissioner.
He said that discussions he had this week with senior figures in Congress, including on the Ways and Means committee, suggested that talks between the US and the UK will be more challenging than expected.
Mr Hogan also criticised British Prime Minister Boris Johnson for putting a timescale for the conclusion of a trade agreement between the EU and UK. “Prime minister Johnson I think unwisely decided that he wants a deadline again,” he said.
“Gamesmanship and brinksmanship is not going to work on this occasion.”
Noting that the Conservative government has a majority of eighty, he criticised the decision to impose a timeline on the next phase of the negotiations. “What we got instead was a cliff edge again.” Mr Johnson is expected to visit Washington next month.
Mr Hogan also warned that the EU is poised to impose tariffs on the United States over the ongoing Boeing-Airbus dispute.
Speaking in Washington, Mr Hogan said the EU regrets the “choice of the US to move ahead with tariffs in the Airbus case, and the recent announcement to potentially subject additional EU products to tariffs”.

“There’ll be no three-way negotiation. That’s a matter for the United Kingdom and the United States.”
Is a key phrase, and big Phil is noted for blunt speaking
 
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I don't read this forum as often as I used to. I am surprised how long it has taken me to realise that Barry Shittpeas is actually 50Hz who used to post under the name Tyleson. Seems he likes to create a new character every new year.
 

oldgroaner

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I don't read this forum as often as I used to. I am surprised how long it has taken me to realise that Barry Shittpeas is actually 50Hz who used to post under the name Tyleson. Seems he likes to create a new character every new year.
Ssssh!
He is actually a Time Lord and suffers
C.R.S.
Chronic Reincarantion Syndrome
 
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flecc

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I don't read this forum as often as I used to. I am surprised how long it has taken me to realise that Barry Shittpeas is actually 50Hz who used to post under the name Tyleson. Seems he likes to create a new character every new year.
Actually it was Tillson.

I think the change to 50Hz may have been a pun, i.e. he's perhaps reached 50 years and it hurts.
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