Brexit, for once some facts.

Barry Shittpeas

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And the Liar Kings Broken promise of the day?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-social-care-plan-bbc-breakfast-election-latest-a9282611.html
Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.


Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away.”




In July, on the steps of Downing Street, the new leader insisted he had a “clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve”.


But the Conservative manifesto then ducked the controversy, as the Tories feared the threat of new taxes to fund a cap on costs would derail the campaign – as it did Theresa May’s in 2017.

Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.

Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away.”


In July, on the steps of Downing Street, the new leader insisted he had a “clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve”.

But the Conservative manifesto then ducked the controversy, as the Tories feared the threat of new taxes to fund a cap on costs would derail the campaign – as it did Theresa May’s in 2017.

Only one of the many Broken Promises we can look forward to, best policy
Accept that every promise he ever made is "Just an aspiration" and see what odds a bookmaker will give you on the being honoured.
For how can you trust the word of such a proven liar as Boris?
I was listening to an interesting radio article about care for the elderly yesterday. Apparently, the cost of residential care in the U.K. is over £1000 / week, £2000 in some areas, and staff ratios are about 1 carer to six residents.

I was shocked to hear that a large and growing number of U.K. people are sending their elderly relatives to be cared for in The Philippines. The cost is about £600 / week, but staff ratios are 1 to 1. That’s right, 24 hour 1 on 1 care! The care standards are reported to be exceptional.

What I don’t understand is this. In the U.K. care workers are viewed by employers as scum. The lowest of the low, routinely employed on minimum wage. They use 1 of these minimum wage employees to look after 6 people, paying anywhere between £24000 and £48000 per month, between them. Where the hell is All that money going? These people aren’t there to be milked for this kind of profit. They are ill and need looking after.

What I describe is the problem with our care system. That’s what is broken. It’s got out of hand in terms of money.
 

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That map has not caught up with the one that has recently closed here! (Petrol station converted into a drive-through Costa. Which we were all so desperately keen to have.)
You seem desperate to put the boot in, looking for every downside! I don't know what it is about e-cars that prompts all the opposition, but being anti is a failed cause. They are happening no matter the opposition

There's always bound to be the odd charge point lost to development and many were poorly positioned initially. But charge points are growing at hundreds a month currently and are in pairs in many locations.
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You seem desperate to put the boot in, looking for every downside! I don't know what it is about e-cars that prompts all the opposition, but being anti is a failed cause. They are happening no matter the opposition

There's always bound to be the odd charge point lost to development and many were poorly positione initially. But charge points are growing at hundreds a month currently and are in pairs in many locations.
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I'm not at all anti. I want one. But I responded simply with the reality at the moment.

I know that local chargers are not very important if I can charge at home. But I'd like to know that, if needed, I could do a quick charge somewhere not too far away.
 

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I know that local chargers are not very important if I can charge at home. But I'd like to know that, if needed, I could do a quick charge somewhere not too far away.
I can't understand why you'd want that. You'd have your home charger, plus the 13 amp accessory one that comes with the car.

I do have a number of chargers a few miles away around me, but have never needed to use one of them. Bear in mind that even when the car signals the emergency "charge now" message when it seems empty, it still has ten miles plus of running left.

One has to be very careless to run right out of current.
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One has to be very careless to run right out of current.
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I don't consider myself careless ;-) but I do live in a very rural location with a mediocre overhead power line, we do loose our supply reasonably often, enough that I couldn't currently depend on it .
 
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I don't consider myself careless ;-) but I do live in a very rural location with a mediocre overhead power line, we do loose our supply reasonably often, enough that I couldn't currently depend on it .
I can sympathise, when I first move to my present location we had power cuts with depressing regularity due to an infrastructure problem. A couple lasted over 24 hours.

Certainly to own an e-car you need a reliable supply or if an unreliable one, a nearby rapid charger on a better supply.

Much depends on mileage though, I almost never run below half charge so always have 60 to 80 miles in hand to reach a rapid charger, which is more than enough anywhere in the country. With newer e-cars having much longer ranges, electricity cuts in any one area won't be much of a problem.
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https://www.echo-news.co.uk/uk_national_news/18159305.oil-giant-total-shift-london-finance-hub-paris-due-brexit/?ref=twtrec
Oil giant Total to shift London finance hub to Paris ‘due to Brexit’
The original move to London six years ago was an attempt by bosses to ensure they were close to major investors, analysts and advisers.

It is the second major move out of the UK by Total, with plans announced in September to shift its 200-strong London-based energy team to Geneva in Switzerland.

Mr Pouyanne has previously warned that Brexit is a “fundamental mistake” which would hit the UK economy.
 
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For disclosure- my father was a planning engineer for the distribution network and I was an engineer in a related discipline so I have an understanding of the current network, of course retired now I have little knowledge of what preparation, planning and cost provisions there are for the network going forward.

I see electric cars as a fairly small problem for the supply network compared to the huge issue of domestic heating.

For transportation I have a few hundred miles of spare range in a Jerry can in the shed but in general I go to a place to fill my vehicles with fuel. If I was using electric I would probably have to do the same and as charging stations develop that will become normal, I was an early adopter of diesel vehicles and very well remember queuing with the lorries to fill my saloon car at the one diesel pump.

But here is the thing, I can’t take my house anywhere to fill it up and the supply required to heat it is more substantial than the need to fuel a vehicle.

Here there are a dozen or so houses and some utilities fed from an overhead line , the pole pig is just about big enough and the line feeding it is single phase. To increase its capacity means replace not re size and that includes the overhead line and the transformer feeding it.

Apart from my house which uses a combination of coal and oil there is one other that uses tanked lpg. All others depend on oil for heating, generally cooking is split 33/66 gas electric. There is no mains gas and no realistic chance of providing it. As an aside, for transportation all bar one dwelling uses an ageing fleet of diesel vehicles including mainly 4x4 and a few tractors (there is one PEHV and of course now my ebike )

So move forward toward an electric future and we need to size the distribution to accommodate electrically heating all of these dwellings. I replaced an electric heating system here as it Wasn’t warm nor financially sustainable but in pure load terms my one dwelling caused the supply to sag when it came on. Multiply that issue by the dozen houses and it’s clear that it would be necessary to upgrade the distribution- we are not an untypical installation, there are great many rural communities in a similar position.

In urban areas it’s not very different, typically a developer approaches the DNO and says “I’m building a thousand homes.” So the DNO sizes the supply based on the historic model of diversity and digs in cable appropriately. Now all of a sudden we need to change that model significantly so we can all look forward to a fair bit of digging.

It’s all possible but it requires an effort x time which = money
 

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I can sympathise, when I first move to my present location we had power cuts with depressing regularity due to an infrastructure problem. A couple lasted over 24 hours.

Certainly to own an e-car you need a reliable supply or if an unreliable one, a nearby rapid charger on a better supply.

Much depends on mileage though, I almost never run below half charge so always have 60 to 80 miles in hand to reach a rapid charger, which is more than enough anywhere in the country. With newer e-cars having much longer ranges, electricity cuts in any one area won't be much of a problem.
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flecc, I have been reading your advocacy for ecars with interest, whereas 10 miles emergency range and selecting times , routes ,stop over places can fit into a retired or semi retired semi urban life, it will not work out elsewhere. Even in my circumstances.. also in the retired category, I might and am called at short notice to do 100 mile trips at short notice, waiting for an ambulance is not an option. So keeping a half tank of diesel ensures my availability
 

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https://www.echo-news.co.uk/uk_national_news/18159305.oil-giant-total-shift-london-finance-hub-paris-due-brexit/?ref=twtrec
Oil giant Total to shift London finance hub to Paris ‘due to Brexit’
The original move to London six years ago was an attempt by bosses to ensure they were close to major investors, analysts and advisers.

It is the second major move out of the UK by Total, with plans announced in September to shift its 200-strong London-based energy team to Geneva in Switzerland.

Mr Pouyanne has previously warned that Brexit is a “fundamental mistake” which would hit the UK economy.
It’s a French company moving part of its French business to France.
 
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I'm not at all anti. I want one. But I responded simply with the reality at the moment.

I know that local chargers are not very important if I can charge at home. But I'd like to know that, if needed, I could do a quick charge somewhere not too far away.
Theres some reality to what you describe. A used s85 will reliably do more than 200 miles on a charge with about 30 miles reserve. There is a phenomenon called vampire drain - the fact the the car uses an often quite considerable amount of electricity while not being used (you couldnt, for example, leave it in an airport car park for two weeks and expect to come back and have the capacity to do a 100 mile return journey home)
 

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It could be interesting now that Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has had a request for a second independence referendum rejected. I wonder if we will see a Catalonia style "unofficial" vote take place?
 
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It could be interesting now that Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, has has a request for a second independence referendum rejected. I wonder if we will see a Catalonia style "unofficial" vote take place?
Indyref2 is unlikely before 2030, if at all.
Brexit has not happened yet.
The SNP needs to wait until the people of Scotland is convinced that they'll be better off being a small independent country with not much industry to speak of.
 

Barry Shittpeas

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Indyref2 is unlikely before 2030, if at all.
Brexit has not happened yet.
The SNP needs to wait until the people of Scotland is convinced that they'll be better off being a small independent country with not much industry to speak of.
Yes, I don't think they will get the referendum, certainly not from BJ. I just wondered if they might go maverick and organise a vote anyway, even though it would have no legal basis, it would add pressure on the UK government if it came out in favour of independence?
 

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Good news for Brexit believers o_O

You just need to have FAITH , though stupidity will do very nicely as a substitute.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/climate-emergency-matt-hancock-flights-electric-planes-flybe-a9284111.html

Climate emergency: 'Carry on flying,' insists health secretary - denying sacrifices necessary to save planet

Matt Hancock says electric planes will cut carbon emissions – then admits he has no idea when they can be brought in

The health secretary says the public can carry on flying as often as before despite the climate emergency, rejecting the idea of “sacrifices” to save the planet.

Matt Hancock said the solution was greener planes, such as those powered by electricity – although he admitted he did not know when they could be introduced.
Asked if people should be “flying less” because of the “climate catastrophe” – following the controversial bail-out of Flybe – he replied: “Nope”.
And, asked if he would fly from London to Aberdeen, Mr Hancock said: “Yes of course it that’s necessary.....if I needed to get to Aberdeen and I didn’t have time to take the train.”
The comments come amid growing criticism of the government for signalling it will cut air taxes to rescue Flybe, while claiming it can still hit its climate targets.

"Climate targets?
They're more of a guideline really,
"We're Conservatives aren't we?
It's not as if everyone doesn't know we always lie about everything
we promise to do !"
 

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"Climate targets?
They're more of a guideline really,
they say the same about their last manifesto.
Care home fees, more doctors and nurses, less immigration, less taxes etc.
BJ is right to dodge the camera and leave it to his idiots.
 

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Yes, I don't think they will get the referendum, certainly not from BJ. I just wondered if they might go maverick and organise a vote anyway, even though it would have no legal basis, it would add pressure on the UK government if it came out in favour of independence?
The SNP counts on BJ rejecting their demand to boost their support.
Why kill the goose when it's still laying eggs?
 

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Yes, I don't think they will get the referendum, certainly not from BJ. I just wondered if they might go maverick and organise a vote anyway, even though it would have no legal basis, it would add pressure on the UK government if it came out in favour of independence?
There is no chance that the SNP will arrange a referendum other than in accordance with the law.
An unofficial referendum, even if you could get the electorate to take part in one, would not only be illegal but would not be recognised internationally.
A yes result in an unofficial referendum would not put any pressure on the UK government as it could easily be dismissed due to its illegality and failure to properly represent the wishes of the electorate.
 
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