Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Here's one big disadvantage of electric cars that needs to be sorted. Once the battery is damaged, it's really tricky to move anything because more cells could short and restart the fire.

The battery can be damaged by impact from just about any direction, while as an IC car is only vulnerable from behind, not counting electrical faults. Even then, the tank location and impact dynamics have been well-sorted over the years, so impact explosion is very rare and only in petrol cars. It's not at all easy for diesel to start burning unless there's already a fire from something else.

Outside of Tesla, who as I've posted have been less than responsible in their battery and safety policies, this is not a problem.

Petrol cars are far more at fuel fire risk following electrical faults starting fires, the motorway people deal with them regularly but have never had to deal with an e-car traction battery fire other than Tesla.

The Leaf is the largest selling e-car with nearly a third of a million on the road extending back a decade and non-Tesla e-cars now total well over half a million, all without traction battery accident problems.

Their batteries are well protected within a space frame between the axle lines, so in turn are protected by the anti-crush passenger compartment. Most e-cars are inherently safer anyway, being slower in the upper speed range. Most of the acceleration potential is in the lower half of the speed range and a lowish top speed around or under 90 mph is normal. Not that it gets used, most e-car driving on motorways is at around 60 mph for consumption reasons, they get very greedy above that.

And because they are so new, they tend to be stuffed with automatic safety features. Mine has front radar, eight sonar sensors and four all round cameras, capable of issuing warnings and when necessary in dangerous circumstances braking the car without my intervention.

Plus ABS, ARC, ICC and TPMS making sure the car is under control at all times. Not to mention the driver aids like blind spot warning, rear cross traffic alert and forward collision warning to warn on those occasions when concentration isn't what it should be.
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[oldgroaner]

And the Liar Kings Broken promise of the day?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-social-care-plan-bbc-breakfast-election-latest-a9282611.html
Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.


Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away.”




In July, on the steps of Downing Street, the new leader insisted he had a “clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve”.


But the Conservative manifesto then ducked the controversy, as the Tories feared the threat of new taxes to fund a cap on costs would derail the campaign – as it did Theresa May’s in 2017.

Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.

Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away.”


In July, on the steps of Downing Street, the new leader insisted he had a “clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve”.

But the Conservative manifesto then ducked the controversy, as the Tories feared the threat of new taxes to fund a cap on costs would derail the campaign – as it did Theresa May’s in 2017.

Only one of the many Broken Promises we can look forward to, best policy
Accept that every promise he ever made is "Just an aspiration" and see what odds a bookmaker will give you on the being honoured.
For how can you trust the word of such a proven liar as Boris?

 

[oyster]

And the Liar Kings Broken promise of the day?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-social-care-plan-bbc-breakfast-election-latest-a9282611.html
Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.


Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away.”




In July, on the steps of Downing Street, the new leader insisted he had a “clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve”.


But the Conservative manifesto then ducked the controversy, as the Tories feared the threat of new taxes to fund a cap on costs would derail the campaign – as it did Theresa May’s in 2017.

Boris Johnson has admitted he does not have a worked-up plan to end the social care crisis and that a solution could be five years away.

In a BBC interview, the prime minister backtracked on his pre-election claim to have a ready-to-go rescue package – instead saying he would be “bringing forward a proposal” later this year.

Asked for a date for action to finally be taken to improve social care, Mr Johnson said: “We will certainly do it in this parliament” – prompting the interviewer to point out: “That’s five years away.”


In July, on the steps of Downing Street, the new leader insisted he had a “clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve”.

But the Conservative manifesto then ducked the controversy, as the Tories feared the threat of new taxes to fund a cap on costs would derail the campaign – as it did Theresa May’s in 2017.

Only one of the many Broken Promises we can look forward to, best policy
Accept that every promise he ever made is "Just an aspiration" and see what odds a bookmaker will give you on the being honoured.
For how can you trust the word of such a proven liar as Boris?

When is someone going to see fit to launch a recall petition in Uxbridge and South Ruislip?

Obviously, there is plenty of scope for more broken promises before it is done. But it would be such a good way for him to disappear. (Assuming self-removal by any means doesn't do so first.)

 

[flecc]

VW are claiming 8 years/100,000 miles on current Golf. Not sure what they are limiting battery to but it must be of order 85 to 25% as in most recent test it only managed 150 miles. (claimed 186)
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I, m afraid for my use that rules even Golf out. ( most frequent journey to coast and back of 160 miles)
They must get it to 200 miles to be feasible for most of us. Even folk who do 30 mile journeys in week want capability of a trip out at weeekend.???
Test quote is from 2019 Autocar test of Golf. Highest spec.By Matt Prior.
And it was a good day, good conditions. Throw in rain, a couple of stops and real world range is soon 130 miles???

Old information, despite them saying 2019. They are quoting the old Leaf at 17% less than 150 mile range (124 miles). Since December 2017 the current model has a genuine 168 mile range, the limited edition e-plus Leaf 230 miles.

The e-Golf suffers from being a conversion of an ic design, always the wrong way to go. Its replacement the ID.3 has been designed from the ground up as electric and has a purchase choice of 125 miles, 220 miles or 320 miles range, all genuine WLTP- RDE summer figures.
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[flecc]

It is a sensible option, I agree.

It would be especially good if you could buy the small battery and hire an additional battery to upgrade to medium or large on an ad hoc basis. (Obviously, that would depend on it being straightforward enough to slot a second/third battery in.)

An easily swappable battery scheme was tried and failed.

I think the most sensible way for an almost all short run person is to buy a small battery model and hire a long range one for the odd rare occasion when needed.
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[vfr400]

Boris Johnson says public can 'bung a bob for a Big Ben bong'
Following calls from arch-Leave MP Mark Francois to strike the bell at 11pm on January 31, the prime minister said the government is working up a plan for people to contribute to the costs.

The House of Commons Commission earlier agreed that the estimated cost of refurbishing the tower for the sake of one occasion was hard to justify.

Johnson told the BBC: "The bongs cost £500,000 but we're working up a plan so people can bung a bob for a Big Ben bong because there are some people who want to," he said.

"Because Big Ben is being refurbished, they seem to have taken the clapper away, so we need to restore the clapper in order to bong Big Ben on Brexit night.

"And that is expensive, so we're looking at whether the public can fund it."

My tweet was "surely there must be some Russian Oligarch willing to give a "bung" to celebrate their victory with a bong?"

Jeez! I'll tell you what. Give me £1000, and I'll take my lump-hammer and ear defenders up there and strike the bell in whatever pattern and whatever time they want.

 

[oyster]

An easily swappable battery scheme was tried and failed.

I think the most sensible way for an almost all short run person is to buy a small battery model and hire a long range one for the odd rare occasion when needed.
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Which would severely reduce spontaneity. I might have enough to round trip Swansea but should I decide on Cardiff or Bristol instead... (Yes, I do realise that even hiring an extra battery would have its impact. But possibly less difficulty than a whole vehicle.)

A fully swappable battery system might be asking too much. The more limited extra battery could be more achievable.

(Yes, fast chargers everywhere would reduce that need.)

 

[oyster]

Jeez! I'll tell you what. Give me £1000, and I'll take my lump-hammer and ear defenders up there and strike the bell in whatever pattern and whatever time they want.

Play a recording. Anyone outside the immediate area would only hear it over a speaker - e.g. on TV or radio - so why the fuss?

Or not. Nothing to celebrate IMHO.

 

[vfr400]

Outside of Tesla, who as I've posted have been less than responsible in their battery and safety policies, this is not a problem.

Petrol cars are far more at fuel fire risk following electrical faults starting fires, the motorway people deal with them regularly but have never had to deal with an e-car traction battery fire other than Tesla.

The Leaf is the largest selling e-car with nearly a third of a million on the road extending back a decade and non-Tesla e-cars now total well over half a million, all without traction battery accident problems.

Their batteries are well protected within a space frame between the axle lines, so in turn are protected by the anti-crush passenger compartment. Most e-cars are inherently safer anyway, being slower in the upper speed range. Most of the acceleration potential is in the lower half of the speed range and a lowish top speed around or under 90 mph is normal. Not that it gets used, most e-car driving on motorways is at around 60 mph for consumption reasons, they get very greedy above that.

And because they are so new, they tend to be stuffed with automatic safety features. Mine has front radar, eight sonar sensors and four all round cameras, capable of issuing warnings and when necessary in dangerous circumstances braking the car without my intervention.

Plus ABS, ARC, ICC and TPMS making sure the car is under control at all times. Not to mention the driver aids like blind spot warning, rear cross traffic alert and forward collision warning to warn on those occasions when concentration isn't what it should be.
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[flecc]

Which would severely reduce spontaneity. I might have enough to round trip Swansea but should I decide on Cardiff or Bristol instead... (Yes, I do realise that even hiring an extra battery would have its impact. But possibly less difficulty than a whole vehicle.)

A fully swappable battery system might be asking too much. The more limited extra battery could be more achievable.

(Yes, fast chargers everywhere would reduce that need.)

The extra battery would be vulnerable , since only the rear of the car like the boot is viable option for adding it. The safety factor is very important on such as 400 volt high capacity systems.

But as you say yourself, chargers are the answer with ultra rapid ones adding 125 miles in 15 minutes. The pace of expansion of rapid and ultra rapid chargers is such that they'll be more plentiful before add on battery cars could be designed and produced in large numbers.

On the charger naming, fast chargers aren't particularly fast, here's the current name position:

Slow charger - Portable and plugs into a 13 amp point, charging at about 2.2 kW/h rate. Takes from 12 to 20 hours or more to fully charge.

Fast Charger - These are the home chargers and old public points, charging at 3.3 to 6.6 kW/h rate these days, taking about 8 hours to fully charge a battery.

Rapid Charger - Public plug in points that charge to 80% capacity at about 50 kW/h rate. They take from 30 minutes upwards to full to 80%, depending on battery size.

All three above can be use by all current e-cars.

Ultra Rapid Charger - Public points that charge at rates between 125 kW/h and 200 kW/h. Only Teslas and the very newest other e-cars can use these.

Much higher rates are on the way before too long.
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[flecc]

I've already posted some while ago that this was NOT a Leaf traction battery fire and the traction battery was never involved in it. Sadly it keeps getting reposted by those not realising it's just the usual kind of car battery electric fire, and it was just the one anyway.

It was an under bonnet fire involving its ordinary 12 volt car battery, and of course there is no fossil fuel to spread the electrical fire beyond the car interior or explode.

All the normal car electrics on the Leaf and many other e-cars are perfectly normal 12 volt systems.

The high voltage/capacity drive system is isolated from that, only involving the traction battery, isolator switch, fuse, controller and motor. Their interconnects on mine are encased in heavy duty tubing coloured bright orange to easily identify them.
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[vfr400]

The sentiment seems about right, but I can imagine that this isn't going to work out well. Are Brexit supporters per se racist and going to be found and deradicalised by these guys?

I know things have changed a bit these days, but when I was at Uni, if someone came up to me and accused me of making a micro-agression, they'd have got a punch on the nose, then I'd tell them that they were right.

Sheffield students paid to tackle racist language on campus

The students will be trained to tackle "subtle but offensive comments" on campus and in student housing.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jonathan.agnew]

The sentiment seems about right, but I can imagine that this isn't going to work out well. Are Brexit supporters per se racist and going to be found and deradicalised by these guys?

I know things have changed a bit these days, but when I was at Uni, if someone came up to me and accused me of making a micro-agression, they'd have got a punch on the nose, then I'd tell them that they were right.

Sheffield students paid to tackle racist language on campus

The students will be trained to tackle "subtle but offensive comments" on campus and in student housing.

www.bbc.co.uk

£9.34/hour for having a few chats, I'd have done it as a student

 

[vfr400]

Interesting analysis from Ry Dawson. Start at 6:50.

"53% of Americans disapprove of Trump actions"

YouTube Extra deleted PressTV from their platform this was the last video Get Bitchute https://www.bitchute.com/channel/kCBxN1oEVOa0/

www.bitchute.com

 

[oyster]

Anyone care to assess the reputational damage of being seen to be more concerned about reputational damage than truth, justice, honesty?

Revealed: UK concealed failure to alert EU over 75,000 criminal convictions
Officials feared ‘reputational impact’ of error in which details of crimes by foreigners were not passed on
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/14/revealed-uk-concealed-failure-to-alert-eu-over-75000-criminal-convictions

 

[oyster]

The extra battery would be vulnerable , since only the rear of the car like the boot is viable option for adding it. The safety factor is very important on such as 400 volt high capacity systems.

But as you say yourself, chargers are the answer with ultra rapid ones adding 125 miles in 15 minutes. The pace of expansion of rapid and ultra rapid chargers is such that they'll be more plentiful before add on battery cars could be designed and produced in large numbers.

On the charger naming, fast chargers aren't particularly fast, here's the current name position:

Slow charger - Portable and plugs into a 13 amp point, charging at about 2.2 kW/h rate. Takes from 12 to 20 hours or more to fully charge.

Fast Charger - These are the home chargers and old public points, charging at 3.3 to 6.6 kW/h rate these days, taking about 8 hours to fully charge a battery.

Rapid Charger - Public plug in points that charge to 80% capacity at about 50 kW/h rate. They take from 30 minutes upwards to full to 80%, depending on battery size.

All three above can be use by all current e-cars.

Ultra Rapid Charger - Public points that charge at rates between 125 kW/h and 200 kW/h. Only Teslas and the very newest other e-cars can use these.

Much higher rates are on the way before too long.
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Yes - I knew the naming is not entirely obvious but just used "fast" in the colloquial "does it quickly" sense.

 

[flecc]

Indeed, and the naming is going to have to change a few times anyway, such is the speed of change in this charging field. The two newly installed 50 kW/h Rapid chargers I used in Dorset in late September were up converted to Ultra-Rapid 125 kW/h in December. They'd probably charged hardly any cars in between!

It's going to take at least five to ten years before this side of running e-cars settles down to any stability.

Biggest news is that BP bought the largest charging company, Chargemaster, and have started a program of installing Ultra-Rapid chargers in every one of their fuel stations.
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[oyster]

Indeed, and the naming is going to have to change a few times anyway, such is the speed of change in this charging field. The two newly installed 50 kW/h Rapid chargers I used in Dorset in late September were up converted to Ultra-Rapid 125 kW/h in December. They'd probably charged hardly any cars in between!

It's going to take at least five to ten years before this side of running e-cars settles down to any stability.

Biggest news is that BP bought the largest charging company, Chargemaster, and have started a program of installing Ultra-Rapid chargers in every one of their fuel stations.
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Had to look up the nearest BP - actually only about three miles or so. (Often one of the most expensive in the area for petrol - they seem to push prices up whenever there might be some vistors around.)

There is also a Polar a few miles up the road. Next nearest is much, much further away.

Not wonderful.

 

[flecc]

Had to look up the nearest BP - actually only about three miles or so. (Often one of the most expensive in the area for petrol - they seem to push prices up whenever there might be some vistors around.)

There is also a Polar a few miles up the road. Next nearest is much, much further away.

Not wonderful.

Give it a chance! The doubling year on year of e-car sales is only since 2018. Anyway if you bought an e-car you'd use your home charger running at cheap night rate electricity prices, you wouldn't be using local dearer chargers. They are for people who live far away and visit your area.

In any case cars with 100 mile plus ranges and now becoming at least 200 miles don't need chargers at every two or three miles. When I pop down to Dorset I pass literally hundreds of chargers and charge at the other end 120 miles away.

Click this link and then click "Map" to see all the charge points in the UK.
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[oyster]

Give it a chance! The doubling year on year of e-car sales is only since 2018. Anyway if you bought an e-car you'd use your home charger running at cheap night rate electricity prices, you wouldn't be using local dearer chargers. They are for people who live far away and visit your area.

In any case cars with 100 mile plus ranges and now becoming at least 200 miles don't need chargers at every two or three miles. When I pop down to Dorset I pass literally hundreds of chargers and charge at the other end 120 miles away.

Click this link and then click "Map" to see all the charge points in the UK.
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That map has not caught up with the one that has recently closed here! (Petrol station converted into a drive-through Costa. Which we were all so desperately keen to have.)