Brexit, for once some facts.

[Barry Shittpeas]

The fight against the IRA was a very dirty war in your own backyard, and included colluding with and bombing Dublin. If your memory needs refreshing, it was a few hours before a vote in our Dail, which did not suit the UK establishment.
Now I am no supporter of violence, as my many posts will testify, but your unthinking responses of" my country right or wrong" actually feeds into its continuance

I see you have tacked on a bit about the IRA. Yes, an organisation responsible for the planting of bombs in public places which indiscriminately killed and maimed innocent members of the public, men, women, and children. Nice people. Truly the very definition of cowardice. Dealt with by our brave and highly skilled forces. The UK military are world leaders in this arena, due in a very large part to experience gained in Ireland.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

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The aircraft was shot down by an Iranian missile fired by an Iranian person from inside Iran. The aircraft which took off from Iran and was flying away from Iran before it eventually crashed in Iran. Iran have admitted it was their actions which brought it down. What is it that you don't you want to understand?"

That you are unable to understand why that happened, or have the humanity to regret the action that led to it.

I know exactly why it happened. It happened because an Iranian chose to fire a missile at a target that they had failed to identify properly and failed to establish what it was.

The deaths of the passengers are a tragedy and of course I regret that innocent civilians were caught up in this. But Iran had the missiles and it was their decision alone to launch them at the airliner, no one else had the trigger. They F'ed up. The end.

 

[oldgroaner]

This demonstrates what a load of Balls Trump's claim of real evidence of intended attacks was

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216369264623521800

And on the basis of this BS hundreds of innocents died and morons applaud

 

[oldgroaner]

I know exactly why it happened. It happened because an Iranian chose to fire a missile at a target that they had failed to identify properly and failed to establish what it was.

The deaths of the passengers are a tragedy and of course I regret that innocent civilians were caught up in this. But Iran had the missiles and it was their decision alone to launch them at the airliner, no one else had the trigger. They F'ed up. The end.

But if the attack by Trump hadn't taken place they would not have mistaken the airliner for a cruise missile and would not have fired
The END

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

As my mother in law might say "Tis soft the wool grows on you" if you believe that these activities were punished. But they happened. I do agree that conflict like this a dirty business, but made even dirtier by not acknowledging and confronting facts. Violence breeds violence.

And yes these elite special forces groups are extremely skilled. My point is that you as an English person will see them as saviours and a national treasure, whereas the exact same modus operandi from the QUD , you see as terrorism.
This Iranian General was extremely highly regarded in Iran,.. What would the British emotional response be had Montgomery been shot in Lisbon ,while attending Peace talks instigated by the Italian high command, after El Alamein. The Iranian ambassador to Ireland likened him to the Irish Michael Collins

The Iranian General was hated in Iran. he was part of a tyrannical regime that is despised by most of their citizens. They are on the streets now shredding and burning pictures of him. The last time ordinary citizens protested against this regime they arrested ring leaders and took them into prisons where they drilled holes in them with cordless drills, gouged out eyeballs with tea spoons, broke backs by strapping people to a folding board and bending it double, disfigured them with acid, reverse hung them for days............. as punishment to suppress the population.

It's a dirty business alright........

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

But if the attack by Trump hadn't taken place they would not have mistaken the airliner for a cruise missile and would not have fired
The END

That is such warped logic, I've never encountered anything like it.

.....and a propagator of terrorism and torture would be roaming the world killing even more people. Iran pulled the trigger remember.....

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

This demonstrates what a load of Balls Trump's claim of real evidence of intended attacks was

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1216369264623521800

And on the basis of this BS hundreds of innocents died ........

Because Iran shot a plane down which was flying away from Iran, with their missiles.........

 

[Danidl]

I see you have tacked on a bit about the IRA. Yes, an organisation responsible for the planting of bombs in public places which indiscriminately killed and maimed innocent members of the public, men, women, and children. Nice people. Truly the very definition of cowardice. Dealt with by our brave and highly skilled forces. The UK military are world leaders in this arena, due in a very large part to experience gained in Ireland.

Whatever else I might consider the IRA guilty of, cowardice is not one of them. I think it was Patton who said.. and I paraphrase slightly so as not to offend delicate ears.
"Your job as soldiers is not to die for your country ,but to make sure the other guy dies for his".
It would have been extremely stupid for them as a organisation to enter into pitched battles with an enemy with helicopter support .
You choose to miss the fact that the British Army colluded with Loyalists to set off bombs in Dublin in order to affect a political vote...and it worked. That is the definition of political terrorism .
There is anecdotal evidence that the BA extended the counter terrorism situation in order to hone their urban fighting techniques . Careers were made in that theatre, which as you rightly point out makes them "world leaders"

 

[Danidl]

The Iranian General was hated in Iran. he was part of a tyrannical regime that is despised by most of their citizens. They are on the streets now shredding and burning pictures of him. The last time ordinary citizens protested against this regime they arrested ring leaders and took them into prisons where they drilled holes in them with cordless drills, gouged out eyeballs with tea spoons, broke backs by strapping people to a folding board and bending it double, disfigured them with acid, reverse hung them for days............. as punishment to suppress the population.

It's a dirty business alright........

..and you know this how?

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

..and you know this how?

There is footage in the news, BBC and other sources, of the protest. Amnesty International have reported on the punishment torture.

 

[oyster]

The brexit festival:

In his first interview as the director of Festival 2022, Martin Green said the aims would be to bring the nation together, showcase British creativity, and on a basic level bring some “joy, hope and happiness”.

Got just the thing to play - "An die Freude" to music by Ludwig von Beethoven.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Whatever else I might consider the IRA guilty of, cowardice is not one of them. I think it was Patton who said.. and I paraphrase slightly so as not to offend delicate ears.
"Your job as soldiers is not to die for your country ,but to make sure the other guy dies for his".
It would have been extremely stupid for them as a organisation to enter into pitched battles with an enemy with helicopter support .
You choose to miss the fact that the British Army colluded with Loyalists to set off bombs in Dublin in order to affect a political vote...and it worked. That is the definition of political terrorism .
There is anecdotal evidence that the BA extended the counter terrorism situation in order to hone their urban fighting techniques . Careers were made in that theatre, which as you rightly point out makes them "world leaders"

No, putting explosives in cast iron litter bins to deliberately create shrapnel on busy streets, with the intent to indiscriminately kill and maim any innocent passer by, is the very definition of cowardice. Sniper attacks and other direct action against the British Military can be reasoned, but attacking the public in this way is cowardly. You are beginning to sound like you are justifying cowardice activity?

 

[oldgroaner]

That is such warped logic, I've never encountered anything like it.

.....and a propagator of terrorism and torture would be roaming the world killing even more people. Iran pulled the trigger remember.....

I think you are losing your mind if you don't understand right from wrong
Clearly this is some sort of obsession with you
No more
Unless you are on topic to the purpose of the thread I'm not interested.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

I think you are losing your mind if you don't understand right from wrong
Clearly this is some sort of obsession with you
No more
Unless you are on topic to the purpose of the thread I'm not interested.

No, your mind is closed to anything except your own agenda.

Let’s roll this back another layer. If this Iranian thug hadn’t been a sponsor of terrorism and torture, the USA wouldn’t have attacked, and if they hadn’t attacked........ well you’ve already said the rest. So this keeps returning to your Iranian terrorist friends as being responsible.

I understand right from wrong perfectly. You are very very wrong.

 

[Danidl]

No, putting explosives in cast iron litter bins to deliberately create shrapnel on busy streets, with the intent to indiscriminately kill and maim any innocent passer by, is the very definition of cowardice. Sniper attacks and other direct action against the British Military can be reasoned, but attacking the public in this way is cowardly. You are beginning to sound like you are justifying cowardice activity?

Grow up!

 

[oldgroaner]

No, your mind is closed to anything except your own agenda.

Let’s roll this back another layer. If this Iranian thug hadn’t been a sponsor of terrorism and torture, the USA wouldn’t have attacked, and if they hadn’t attacked........ well you’ve already said the rest. So this keeps returning to your Iranian terrorist friends as being responsible.

I understand right from wrong perfectly. You are very very wrong.

Roll it even further back and the Americans lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction and involved us in invading Iraq on lies, making us terrorists too.
This is pointless, you have no concept of cause and effect do you?
How long are you going to drag out this pointless discussion for?
We can never agree, either we end it now and move on or I shall simply ignore you
Suit yourself

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Grow up!

Oh dear. There is no need for insults.

Are you an IRA supporter? You make me wonder.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

Roll it even further back and the Americans lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction and involved us in invading Iraq on lies, making us terrorists too.
This is pointless, you have no concept of cause and effect do you?
How long are you going to drag out this pointless discussion for?
We can never agree, either we end it now and move on or I shall simply ignore you
Suit yourself

I don’t really care what you do.

 

[Danidl]

Oh dear. There is no need for insults.

Are you an IRA supporter? You make me wonder.

If you actually want the answer to that you can trawl back through my posts ,where I have given plenty of evidence. Otherwise you can troll. The short answer in NO!.

 

[Barry Shittpeas]

If you actually want the answer to that you can trawl back through my posts ,where I have given plenty of evidence. Otherwise you can troll. The short answer in NO!.

It was a simple question. There is no requirement for you to resort to nastiness.