Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

Trade Member
May 19, 2012
20,376
16,875
Southend on Sea
wooshbikes.co.uk
But oh no - according to OG that's not real democracy.
the danger is the press is owned by billionaires.
Their potential to distort news and destroy the competition to their chosen PM has been amply demonstrated.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: flecc

OxygenJames

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 8, 2012
2,593
1,041
Who controls the media controls the country
Nobody is in control you blithering fool. Sheesh for somebody born before 1960 you do repeatedly say some really dumb things.

Let me tell you how it works. Pour yourself a drink and take notes if needs be.

1) People think they have choice - they don't
2) Ideas appears in people's heads and they take ownership of them
3) Clever people always find a way around the system - the one put there to try to make things fairer
4) The media make money from selling air-time or papers - they print what sells
5) Therefore the media have no control over anything
6) Neither does Jo Public because nobody knows where the ideas in their heads come from it could have been the papers or the guy at the chip shop or their aunt or maybe they even had an original thought but thats pretty ulikely
7) It's chaos everywhere really but people hate chaos to they come up with theories as to how come things are the way they are
8) None of the theories work all the time - most of them don't work any of the time
9) The only system we've found so far that sort of works is to take a vote on what we should do
10) Even that fails to work sometimes and most people are left not getting what they want
11) What people really want is peace. Which is the absence of desire or fear.
12) Desire and fear run 99.99999% of people's lives
12) Which is how come its such a fecking mess out there
13) Finding inner peace is the goal brother.
14) Sex and drugs and rock and roll might get you there
15) But then you're hooked on sex and drugs and rock and roll so thats no good
16) Trying to be 100% self-less has been tried - it never works
17) So we're back to chaos.
18) Being happy with chaos is the only real answer
19) It's not much of an answer for most people.

The end.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zlatan

50Hertz

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 2, 2019
2,199
2,403
Taking your houses would be taxation.

No different from Stamp Duty, Death Duties, Insurance Tax, Unneeded room Tax, Council Tax, all on your properties.
.
It would be more than taxation, it would be ruinous. I shall use these Tory years to "Corbyn Proof" myself as much as possible.

To target second home owners shows how stupid Labour are. A second / third / fourth home is just an investment like putting money into shares, classic cars, a bank account etc. Labour are so stupid that they don't understand that.

I know two retired nurses who have invested their pension lump sums into second houses because the banks are paying such poor rates. Labour's policy would attack these ordinary ex-working people who have worked and saved for their retirement, possibly forcing them back into work beyond retirement age. This illustrates how much Labour hate workers and hate the financially responsible. That is why they lost the election and why they will continue to be out of power. They are too stupid to realise this, you can hear evidence of it every time they do an interview.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mike killay

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
I think quite a few of us could hazard a pretty accurate guess on how Dianne Abbott would perform. I mean - come on - if OG can predict how the country is going to turn out in 5-10 years time (though he's not willing to put any proper money on it which always makes me wonder...) - then I think we could predict that one Flecc.
I have never had a bet on anything in my life, so why should I make an exception this time?
You really are a smug one, aren't you? do you imagine this country has a bright future on it's own, when it failed at the last attempt, and the people you have voted in charge are a bunch of incompetent reprobates?
I would love to be proved wrong on this.
But for the life of me I really can't see why anyone would put the countrys fate into the hands of these low life shysters.
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Nobody is in control you blithering fool. Sheesh for somebody born before 1960 you do repeatedly say some really dumb things.

Let me tell you how it works. Pour yourself a drink and take notes if needs be.

1) People think they have choice - they don't
2) Ideas appears in people's heads and they take ownership of them
3) Clever people always find a way around the system - the one put there to try to make things fairer
4) The media make money from selling air-time or papers - they print what sells
5) Therefore the media have no control over anything
6) Neither does Jo Public because nobody knows where the ideas in their heads come from it could have been the papers or the guy at the chip shop or their aunt or maybe they even had an original thought but thats pretty ulikely
7) It's chaos everywhere really but people hate chaos to they come up with theories as to how come things are the way they are
8) None of the theories work all the time - most of them don't work any of the time
9) The only system we've found so far that sort of works is to take a vote on what we should do
10) Even that fails to work sometimes and most people are left not getting what they want
11) What people really want is peace. Which is the absence of desire or fear.
12) Desire and fear run 99.99999% of people's lives
12) Which is how come its such a fecking mess out there
13) Finding inner peace is the goal brother.
14) Sex and drugs and rock and roll might get you there
15) But then you're hooked on sex and drugs and rock and roll so thats no good
16) Trying to be 100% self-less has been tried - it never works
17) So we're back to chaos.
18) Being happy with chaos is the only real answer
19) It's not much of an answer for most people.

The end.
Utter rot, and it shows the limitations of what passes through your head as thought processes and what a muddled mess they are.

Nobody is in control eh? well now no wonder you are so easily gulled.
 

OxygenJames

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 8, 2012
2,593
1,041
I have never had a bet on anything in my life, so why should I make an exception this time?
Why not? If you're so sure you're right why not bet? You think this country will go to ruin - so bet that the stock market will go down - or that BT shares will drop disastrously - or any other indicies that would occur if the country 'failed disastrously' as you keep saying it will.

But you won't will you? Either for some dumb ethical reason (no doubt you could find one) - or that you're just not as sure as you keep making out.

Put your money where your mouth is or shut up - my Dad used to say that a lot. We'd bet on all sorts of stuff. I learned to be bloody careful what I said.
 

OxygenJames

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 8, 2012
2,593
1,041
Utter rot, and it shows the limitations of what passes through your head as thought processes and what a muddled mess they are.

Nobody is in control eh? well now no wonder you are so easily gulled.
So is it the Russians? (you've said that) - or Facebook? (you've said that) - or Cummings? (you've said that) - or the media?

Who is in control OG?

You?
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
That won't wash with OG though. Nothing washes with that man. Our democracy is not a real democracy according to OG because we have first past the post - which tends to generate clear winners and governments that can get stuff done.

But oh no - according to OG that's not real democracy.
This is true, it's not
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Why not? If you're so sure you're right why not bet? You think this country will go to ruin - so bet that the stock market will go down - or that BT shares will drop disastrously - or any other indicies that would occur if the country 'failed disastrously' as you keep saying it will.

But you won't will you? Either for some dumb ethical reason (no doubt you could find one) - or that you're just not as sure as you keep making out.

Put your money where your mouth is or shut up - my Dad used to say that a lot. We'd bet on all sorts of stuff. I learned to be bloody careful what I said.
I do not require your permission to express my opinions , nor intend to place bets because an idiot thinks he can bully me into doing so.
Your simplistic view of measures of success ou failure won't change the long term result.
You have given the future to a pack of scavengers, and there can only be one outcome to that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: POLLY

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Pot kettle black!

You think you'd do any better?
Certainly, why not? do you imagine people like Boris have a particular specialised talent not available to mere mortals?
Are you having an attack of worshipping some class structure or other?
 

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Moi? Huh? You are the fecking Queen of fecking smug.

Your posts drip with self-importance and unbridled self-belief.

Try adding imho after every thought OG - it might cheer you up a bit.
Condescending aren't you? does this bullying of yours work on the simple minded?
If so go off and find someone simple minded enough to fall for it.

Tell me what do your posts drip with if not
"Your posts drip with self-importance and unbridled self-belief."
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: Zlatan

oldgroaner

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 15, 2015
23,461
32,613
80
Oh you poor little victim. Let's all give OG a hug he feels bullied. There there.
As usual you see what you want to
There is a difference with your having a bullying attitude and me feeling myself bullied.
Real men have tried that and failed, and you couldn't resist the schoolboy remark at the end.
" Let's all give OG a hug he feels bullied.There there"

Still if you insist on making yourself look juvenile, do carry on.
 

Zlatan

Esteemed Pedelecer
Nov 26, 2016
8,086
4,290
I have never had a bet on anything in my life, so why should I make an exception this time?
You really are a smug one, aren't you? do you imagine this country has a bright future on it's own, when it failed at the last attempt, and the people you have voted in charge are a bunch of incompetent reprobates?
I would love to be proved wrong on this.
But for the life of me I really can't see why anyone would put the countrys fate into the hands of these low life shysters.
Because there is no alternative
45,118
 

OxygenJames

Esteemed Pedelecer
Jan 8, 2012
2,593
1,041
As usual you see what you want to
There is a difference with your having a bullying attitude and me feeling myself bullied.
Real men have tried that and failed, and you couldn't resist the schoolboy remark at the end.
" Let's all give OG a hug he feels bullied.There there"

Still if you insist on making yourself look juvenile, do carry on.
OK OG I will leave you in peace for now.

Once in a while I just get totally fed up with your relentless posting of opinions as facts. You do it time and time AND TIME again. Over and over. Like a really REALLY annoying dripping tap - over and over there it is again - OG posting opinions as fact.

Apparently without any awareness that that is what you're doing. You seem utterly unable to help yourself.

Anyhow.

Enough for now.
 
Last edited:
  • :D
Reactions: oldgroaner

Advertisers