Off you go, see if you can "Make America Great Again"
I shall keep posting the truth wherever I can find it.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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I shall keep posting the truth wherever I can find it.
Are you having one of your "turns"?
If there is no alternative why did you vote Labour?
Or are you changing your story now?
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Probably not very well, she certainly isn't the person she once was as Woosh has remarked. At one time some while ago she was clever and very capable person, but now seems to be slow thinking and distracted.
However, I'd change your would to could, since she wouldn't get a chance to do much.
I see a number of you getting into a tizwoz about Corbyn and co., but it really isn't necessary. We all know that both main parties are split, the Tories into a moderate majority and a smaller right wing group headed by Rees Mogg; Labour into their moderate majority and their smaller left wing cohort, headed by Corbyn and McDonald.
Of course those extremes and their influence in both are only due to their internal party voting systems which are at odds with the majority in the country.
It's the moderate majorities who prevent the extremes, remember how the attempt to get a No Deal exit was defeated by the moderate mass in the House?
So let us now imagine that the country had a brainstorm and had elected Corbyn's Labour with an 80 majority. Yes, I know that just sent a shiver down your spine.
Then Corbyn might just get through the nationalisation of rail and water since they have widespread support, but that would be about the limit. His moderate majority simply wouldn't vote for the more extreme measures so he'd be scuppered. The system that got him where he is can't help him, since neither the Unions nor Momentum can vote in the House of Commons or the Lords.
By the same token we needn't worry about the Tories being too extreme since they too are now down to only what's possible in the House.
So everyone should calm down and relax, particularly Zlatan and 50Hertz who could suffer heart attacks if they don't stop foaming at the mouth about Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn.
They've just lost, Corbyn probably won't be standing next time at 70 years old and if Diane deteriorates further, neither will she.
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Never mind, put it to good use, have a shave.
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Flecc's had an attack of reasonableness! How can we possibly shout and scream at each other if we all take reasonable views on things? It would be hopeless! We need extreme views touted as facts to rile us up and keep us posting! Have you gone mad flecc??????
In your case that should keep you silent for a very very very long time.
Of course it won't.
But we can all dream of a better world.
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Not the one you are dreaming of thanks.
The one I dream of everybody is at peace with themselves and their world.
Yeah - I know - like that's going to happen in my lifetime - fat chance.
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Bit of fun for you.
What Brexit has cost according to the Bank of England
https://costofbrexit.netlify.com/
Just under £81 BN so far.
But hey! who needs experts?
What Brexit has cost according to the Bank of England
https://costofbrexit.netlify.com/
Just under £81 BN so far.
But hey! who needs experts?
Brexit seems to have the opposite effect, haven't you noticed?
Perhaps not over yet, I've just posted another reasonable post in a thread about bike theft. That's in a part of the forum that discusses e-bikes which you might not have seen.
Here's the link
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This is the same bank of England who advised the chancellor that we'd need a £30b emergency budget.
Mark Carney has subsequently dialled back on his gloom and doom....
From the Guardian:
"Governor Carney said that various preparations taken since last November (including work at the ports and improvements on derivatives contracts) have “reduced the worst case scenario”.
This is the worst case scenario, he insists, not the most likely outcome"
Very good post flecc, making some good points. Agree with much of it but the thing never mentioned is the cultural beliefs Corbyn seens to represent. I totally agreed with his spending, it only brings us on par with France/Sweden and thats why reluctantly he got my vote.
What frightened me about Momentum/Unite and to a degree Corbyn is their apparent intolerance to differing views, ideology. McCluskey and friends do represent the extremes of our left. There seems a growing tendency to label any who disagree with their beliefs as racists or fascists. They also seem to work on a system of cronyism ("agreed all parties do) but somehow it seens worse coming from so called socialists. (case in point DA and her kids education, Corbyn's son working for him. The last straw for me with our current labour was sacking Sarah Champion.
Still think Labour need to sack the entire lot and start again, with less influence from Unite/momentum.
But your post was still very good, a wave of tolerance in a sea of anger?
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Look what this bastard Tory government are doing now. OG said they would shaft working people. I guess he was right and we should have listened.
The national living wage is to rise by 6.2% in what the government says is "the biggest cash increase ever".
The rise is more than four times the rate of inflation and takes hourly pay for people over 25 to £8.72 from April.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "For too long, people haven't seen the pay rises they deserve."
The national living wage is to rise by 6.2% in what the government says is "the biggest cash increase ever".
The rise is more than four times the rate of inflation and takes hourly pay for people over 25 to £8.72 from April.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson said: "For too long, people haven't seen the pay rises they deserve."
We, ve got to give Boris 3 years before judging anything... And leaving probably 10. So far Boris is making right noises and seems to understand position he is in. Credit where credit due, so far...
I'm surprised you are pleased to stump up the money to pay for this, and it is at the moment just another of his promises, something he tends to forget when they become inconvenient.
You will indeed find you should have listened.
Where's the money going to come from?
A magic money tree?
And of course this from the Living wage.org
"he announcement comes as research by KPMG demonstrated the scale of in-work poverty, with 5.2 million jobs still paying less than the real Living Wage. There are big regional disparities, Northern Ireland had the highest percentage of jobs paying below the Living Wage (23%) and South East England the lowest (15%).
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FFS OG what would you have said if he had announced he was reducing it ?
Yes, I agree they did. Government listened to what folk want. Its obvious now majority, rightly or wrongly, want to leave. Sorry to tell you this because it means majority of UK voters are thick, racist, uninformed xenophobes as opposed to intelligent, socially aware informed people like us two.
Ahwell, that's democracy for you.
Does depend what day you catch me on I suppose, I do change my mind occasionally..
We cant really expect whole country to be as intelligent as us 2 OG, can we?