Its actually irrelevant. He has enough to get whatever he wishes through parliament, but you are correct. Its 80.(ish) He certainly does not need ERG and DUP.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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It has its nice spots. It's next to Merton which is where Wimbledon sits. Croydon itself has much new development - some nice wildish green areas. East Croydon railway station can link you into just about anywhere you want to go - I used it often when living in not-so-far-away Colliers Wood.
not quite. The ERG counts between 20 hardcore brexiters + a number of supporters. They signed up to pass the WAB but intend on pushing for WTO brexit during the transition period.
They can still cause BJ some trouble. Any deal with the EU, even just GATT clause 24 still needs parliament's approval.
still not reading my posts properly? for the chance of another referendum of course
Brendan O'Neils take on it all:
The revenge of democracy.
So now we know. Now we know what happens when you declare war on democracy. Now we know the consequences of demeaning the largest democratic vote in a nation’s history. Now we know what becomes of a political class that sneers at voters, silences their democratic voice, and libels them as racist, xenophobic know-nothings who cannot be trusted with stewardship of the nation. You get punished. You get rebelled against. You get replaced. Last night, in those extraordinary election results, we witnessed the revenge of democracy.
You don’t have to be a fan of Boris Johnson or his withdrawal treaty to appreciate the significance and even brilliance of yesterday’s events. The results are striking, historically so. Labour suffering one of its worst results in decades, the Tories winning a powerful majority which, in the final days of the campaign anyway, not many people were predicting. Most striking of all has been the corrosion, collapse in fact, of Labour’s ‘red wall’ – that historic terrain of red constituencies stretching from North Wales through northern England. Well, it’s not red anymore: brick by brick it has fallen, with vast swathes of people who have voted Labour for decades turning to the Tories this time.Stockton South, Darlington, Wrexham – all Tory seats.
Even saying that sounds strange. Bolsover, held by Dennis Skinner since 1970, now has a 5,000+ Tory majority. Former mining towns that have long loathed the Tories – Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield – have turned blue. Bishop Auckland’s Tory MP – 25-year-old Hull-educated Dehenna Davison – is the first it’s had in its 134-year history. Don Valley is gone, too, despite MP Caroline Flint’s best efforts to warn her party that its betrayal of its working-class, Brexit-backing voters would cost it dear. The wall hasn’t only been breached – it’s been torn down.
The ‘red wall’ collapse is the most significant, telling event in this election because it speaks, clearly and profoundly, to the revolt-like nature of yesterday’s ballot-box rejection of the Remainer elites. These working-class communities were at the sharp end of the elites’ seething contempt for Brexit voters. When you heard liberal-elite EU lovers or the performative radicals of the bourgeois Corbynista movement bemoaning the ‘low-information’, demagogue-swayed sections of society who had apparently been misled into backing Brexit, this is who they were talking about. The good people of Blackpool South, of the Vale of Clwyd, of Workington – all Tory seats this morning.
That poisonous contempt was aimed most directly at these people. And now these people have responded. They have returned the contempt that has been heaped so heavily on them these past three-and-a-half years.The red-wall revolt against Labour feels era-defining. This is working people rejecting that foul old idea that they would vote for a donkey so long as it was wearing a red rosette.
This is ordinary people rebelling against the neo-aristocracy of the woke identitarian middle classes who have hijacked the party their forefathers founded. And this is an uprising against anti-democracy. For more than three years the political class has agitated against the largest democratic vote in our history. They have used every legal and parliamentary trick in the book to thwart or delay Brexit. And now the people have passed their judgement on this disgraceful behaviour. Democracy’s payback.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/06/the-trans-ideology-is-a-threat-to-womanhood/
Just consider the ridiculous, authoritarian figure of Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson. She’s lost her seat. She said ******* to Brexit, the people said ******* to her. Just as they have to many Remoaner MPs who tried to stymie democracy. Guess what? People take their vote seriously. They know it was hard fought for. They know people struggled and even died for this every-now-and-then piece of paper that allows every free adult citizen to determine the shape and nature of government. They do not take kindly to its being undermined, whether by the EU or our own anti-democratic elites here in the UK.
Already leftist elitists are demeaning this mass vote against anti-democrats as the work of racist idiots. These stupid voters remain in the intellectual stranglehold of evil tabloids and populist demagogues, they claim. They will never learn. This is precisely the kind of contempt that made people turn against the aloof left and technocratic elites. More importantly, yesterday’s election shows the opposite of what these anti-democrats claim.
It shows that people can think and decide for themselves. For three years people have been bombarded with overblown threats and hysterical warnings about the dangers of Brexit and the vulnerability of our economy and public services if we go down the populist route. ‘We’ll look after you by stopping Brexit and doing the right thing’, politicians assured them. The people rejected all of this paternalistic guff. They thought for themselves and said, ‘Nope’. This was an act of an independent people.
We have a job of work making sure Boris doesn’t sell out Brexit. We’ll get to that. For the time being let’s recognise and celebrate what this election reminds us of: that democracy remains the greatest corrective to elitism and tyranny that mankind has ever invented.
The revenge of democracy.
So now we know. Now we know what happens when you declare war on democracy. Now we know the consequences of demeaning the largest democratic vote in a nation’s history. Now we know what becomes of a political class that sneers at voters, silences their democratic voice, and libels them as racist, xenophobic know-nothings who cannot be trusted with stewardship of the nation. You get punished. You get rebelled against. You get replaced. Last night, in those extraordinary election results, we witnessed the revenge of democracy.
You don’t have to be a fan of Boris Johnson or his withdrawal treaty to appreciate the significance and even brilliance of yesterday’s events. The results are striking, historically so. Labour suffering one of its worst results in decades, the Tories winning a powerful majority which, in the final days of the campaign anyway, not many people were predicting. Most striking of all has been the corrosion, collapse in fact, of Labour’s ‘red wall’ – that historic terrain of red constituencies stretching from North Wales through northern England. Well, it’s not red anymore: brick by brick it has fallen, with vast swathes of people who have voted Labour for decades turning to the Tories this time.Stockton South, Darlington, Wrexham – all Tory seats.
Even saying that sounds strange. Bolsover, held by Dennis Skinner since 1970, now has a 5,000+ Tory majority. Former mining towns that have long loathed the Tories – Bishop Auckland, Sedgefield – have turned blue. Bishop Auckland’s Tory MP – 25-year-old Hull-educated Dehenna Davison – is the first it’s had in its 134-year history. Don Valley is gone, too, despite MP Caroline Flint’s best efforts to warn her party that its betrayal of its working-class, Brexit-backing voters would cost it dear. The wall hasn’t only been breached – it’s been torn down.
The ‘red wall’ collapse is the most significant, telling event in this election because it speaks, clearly and profoundly, to the revolt-like nature of yesterday’s ballot-box rejection of the Remainer elites. These working-class communities were at the sharp end of the elites’ seething contempt for Brexit voters. When you heard liberal-elite EU lovers or the performative radicals of the bourgeois Corbynista movement bemoaning the ‘low-information’, demagogue-swayed sections of society who had apparently been misled into backing Brexit, this is who they were talking about. The good people of Blackpool South, of the Vale of Clwyd, of Workington – all Tory seats this morning.
That poisonous contempt was aimed most directly at these people. And now these people have responded. They have returned the contempt that has been heaped so heavily on them these past three-and-a-half years.The red-wall revolt against Labour feels era-defining. This is working people rejecting that foul old idea that they would vote for a donkey so long as it was wearing a red rosette.
This is ordinary people rebelling against the neo-aristocracy of the woke identitarian middle classes who have hijacked the party their forefathers founded. And this is an uprising against anti-democracy. For more than three years the political class has agitated against the largest democratic vote in our history. They have used every legal and parliamentary trick in the book to thwart or delay Brexit. And now the people have passed their judgement on this disgraceful behaviour. Democracy’s payback.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/06/the-trans-ideology-is-a-threat-to-womanhood/
Just consider the ridiculous, authoritarian figure of Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson. She’s lost her seat. She said ******* to Brexit, the people said ******* to her. Just as they have to many Remoaner MPs who tried to stymie democracy. Guess what? People take their vote seriously. They know it was hard fought for. They know people struggled and even died for this every-now-and-then piece of paper that allows every free adult citizen to determine the shape and nature of government. They do not take kindly to its being undermined, whether by the EU or our own anti-democratic elites here in the UK.
Already leftist elitists are demeaning this mass vote against anti-democrats as the work of racist idiots. These stupid voters remain in the intellectual stranglehold of evil tabloids and populist demagogues, they claim. They will never learn. This is precisely the kind of contempt that made people turn against the aloof left and technocratic elites. More importantly, yesterday’s election shows the opposite of what these anti-democrats claim.
It shows that people can think and decide for themselves. For three years people have been bombarded with overblown threats and hysterical warnings about the dangers of Brexit and the vulnerability of our economy and public services if we go down the populist route. ‘We’ll look after you by stopping Brexit and doing the right thing’, politicians assured them. The people rejected all of this paternalistic guff. They thought for themselves and said, ‘Nope’. This was an act of an independent people.
We have a job of work making sure Boris doesn’t sell out Brexit. We’ll get to that. For the time being let’s recognise and celebrate what this election reminds us of: that democracy remains the greatest corrective to elitism and tyranny that mankind has ever invented.
they took lesson from Bojo who does not care that he is believed or not.
He sounded serious, more so than BJ can. Its going to end up in court, as is Scottish Ind referendum...
For those who can't be arsed to read the whole thing - the final paragraph will do:
We have a job of work making sure Boris doesn’t sell out Brexit. We’ll get to that. For the time being let’s recognise and celebrate what this election reminds us of: that...
... democracy remains the greatest corrective to elitism and tyranny that mankind has ever invented.
Now there is no reason for the unbeloved PM not to sort out release of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe and get the Russian interference document published.
Practically the majority is even bigger seeing as SF don't participate in any votes and the speaker can't vote. So it's closer to 50.
Emily Maitlain reckoned they haven't the right, pointed out they are part of UK. Political expert sort of agreed with her but said it would end up in court.
Think Boris will have problems holding union together. He's saying no ref for them, so by default saying they will be part of *get Brexit done".
This just in from Cummings:
“After the shock of the referendum, MPs and journalists should have taken a deep breath and had a lot of self-reflection on why they misunderstood what was going on in the country.
But instead a lot of people just doubled down on their own ideas and ****** it up even more. That’s why something like this happens against expectations.”
“After the shock of the referendum, MPs and journalists should have taken a deep breath and had a lot of self-reflection on why they misunderstood what was going on in the country.
But instead a lot of people just doubled down on their own ideas and ****** it up even more. That’s why something like this happens against expectations.”
She's probably right - they have neither the right nor the ability. And yes I agree with you that the union is in massive danger - but let's wait and see. Even if you gave the Scots the vote tomorrow - would they go for it?
They'll already be out of the EU (well soon enough they will) - and they'd be voting to be out of the UK too - with no currency and a balance of payments nobody would want.
Reality might just hit home.
It did last time - and there's an argument that this time it'd be worse.
Do you really believe that an illegally procured Advisory Only referendum result financed by dark money that yielded a marginal result far below the normal thresholds required of a referendum to be binding is a democratic result?
What a comedian! when even Farage said if is was 52 to 48 % he other way it would be merely work in progress?
What a load of rubbish, but never mind, the truth is it is a coup simply to enrich the elite at the expense of everyone else by emplying every devious lie , false promise and cheating known t man.
However there is a good side to all this, it has no chance whatever of being anything other than a tempory aberration, as the individuals employed to implement this huge scam are utterly incompetent.
When they have done their best then this statement has a chance of being true
" After the dreadful error of Brexit has been recognised and rejected we can then celebrate what this coming election reminds us of: that democracy remains the greatest corrective to elitism and tyranny that mankind has ever invented.
pity we had to learn the hard way, and millions suffered in the process.
