Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

Wake up? what are you on about? I am not supporting Corbyn am I?
Move on from this blame game, which if you care to remember is actually the responsibility of people who voted for Brexit in the first place, and created this madness.
Corbyn is history now

Its called democracy OG. The country by a decisive margin wants to leave. They have just supported Boris to do so. Thats why I said wake up.
And, no I dont blame leavers for voting to leave at all as you still do. I blame Labour for not accomodating the electorate and giving us strongest Tory govt since Thatcher. A government that could quite easily be more right wing than she was. Labour are a disgrace. They will never recover.
How on earth did Labour lose Durham. Think about it, instead of saying same old rubbish.

 

[oyster]

There IS for all the people who voted Tory.

Some of you guys really seem to struggle with this whole 'democracy' thing.

They might think they are happy right now. Just wait.

 

[50Hertz]

Labour. Fewest MPs for 84 years. Well done.

 

[Zlatan]

They might think they are happy right now. Just wait.

They had nothing else to vote for. Yes, I voted for Corbyn but not to support him but to not support BJ.
Nobody actually knew what they were voting for with Corbyn.
Its been an utter disgrace. This result could have so easily been avoided. Had labour taken trouble to bend their ideals to those of voters. An idiot last night actually said "electorate dont have high enough ideals for labour" and that electorate should change to match labour.
Get Alistair Campbell and Toniness back for goodness sake. Torylite is way better than torymighty. Jesus, what have all the pompous Billy Braggs and momentum supporters done. I, ll tell you what, they have given us a PM as far right as Thatcher with a 76 seat majority.
Corbyn playing it clever my arse.
How can a party expect to get in power when on day of election its deputy leader appears wearing odd, both left feet shoes and who has a son who was privately educated but goes on to be arrested for biting a police officer. That's our current labour party. And we now look on amazed that Tories have a 76 seat majority.

On a more optimistic note... The pound has rissen. Not that that will change anything for the needy in our society now.

 

[oyster]

They had nothing else to vote for. Yes, I voted for Corbyn but not to support him but to not support BJ.

If I had been sure that I would not have been letting in the tories, I would have voted PC. There was a continual nagging feeling that there was an outside possibility of Labour closing the 314 vote lead from 2017. Even with the predictions strongly suggesting otherwise.

 

[OxygenJames]

Actually you are the one who struggles with Democracy,
You are no judge of character are you?
And now you have made yourself accomplice in what this regime does next.
Your idea of democracy is simply that using lies to con the public into believing harming themselves is a good idea is a reasonable methodology.
Now your clown is going to have to come up with "The best society in the world to live in"
And the responsibility for the mess will sink the Tory party like a stone
Imagine trusting the fate of the nation to a man that couldn't even manage to prevent producing unwanted children that he accidentally fathered to women he used and discarded.
And he has to be managed to prevent him making racist remarks ,
He has made a balls up every job he's ever had.
Great qualification to give him the PM position

In spite of all that - people voted for him in massive numbers. That is democracy. You are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Zlatan]

Hugh Grant looks depressed this morning, bet Bob Geldoff dont like Fridays now. Some great examples of our current Labour supporters.
The one good thing is thst country has seen through the hypocrisy of such as these. Those folk with millions in bank telling us to "remain", "have another referendum" or "support Corbyn". The Lilly Allens etal should all now shut the feck up.

 

[Zlatan]

In spite of all that - people voted for him in massive numbers. That is democracy. You are entitled to your opinion.

To be fair I, m not sure they did vote for him. They just didnt vote for Corbyn and everything Labour represents at moment. He was in right place at right time and said right things.
And again, to be fair. His speech this morning was good. (BJ's) He realises he got many quivering voters. (the Labour heart land ones) He will try and keep them.

 

[Woosh]

I console myself on BJ's win with the idea that we won't have no deal brexit on the first day of February.
BJ won't need the DUP nor ERG like TM did, so my fear of no deal at the end of the transition period has substantially diminished.
As for Corbyn, no regret that his time is up.
Labour and LibDems should take their time to come up with someone with more experience and nous than Corbyn and Swinson.

 

[oldgroaner]

Come on OG. Give yourself a break. Go make a cup of tea and have a digestive biscuit. Oxygen levels are good. Gravity is working fine. All is well.

Just been out for my normal 10 mile ride to the park and back, and all is going precisely as anticipated, just be patient.

People are already dying because of waiting times.

They’ve voted for longer waiting times.

That’s how much they hate Corbyn.

Guy is probably up there as the worst and most dangerous leader of a party since Thatcher.

Sorry but the most dangerous thing in this country is and remains those who voted for Brexit, otherwise none of this would have happened, isn't it a blessing that they "knew what they were voting for"?
And now they are going to get the Government we don't deserve, but they do.

 

[oldgroaner]

To be fair I, m not sure they did vote for him. They just didnt vote for Corbyn and everything Labour represents at moment. He was in right place at right time and said right things.
And again, to be fair. His speech this morning was good. (BJ's) He realises he got many quivering voters. (the Labour heart land ones) He will try and keep them.

And fail, as he does in everything .

 

[Nev]

I console myself on BJ's win with the idea that we won't have no deal brexit on the first day of February.
BJ won't need the DUP nor ERG like TM did, so my fear of no deal at the end of the transition period has substantially diminished.
As for Corbyn, no regret that his time is up.
Labour and LibDems should take their time to come up with someone with more experience and nous than Corbyn and Swinson.

It will be interesting to see what kind of deal BJ gets from the EU. Many of his gains in traditional labour seats have large manufacturing plants, a hard Brexit or WTO would hit these areas hard. I think a softish Brexit is likely on the cards now.

 

[Nev]

As mentioned previously on here, I was hoping for a hung parliament, I did not want JC to have a majority, the hard left is too scary for me. I certainly did not want to see a Tory victory, but I thought it was most likely to happen.

To lessen the disappointment of a Boris win, I bought some VMID a while back. This is a small and mid cap UK exchange traded fund. Contains companies such as Just Eat, Direct Line etc. Its up nearly 5% this morning and nearly 20% since I bought some.

I would have preferred to be down a few hundred quid and see the Tories get a good beating, rather than be ahead by a few hundred, but making a bit of profit is a slight consolation.

 

[Woosh]

It will be interesting to see what kind of deal BJ gets from the EU. Many of his gains in traditional labour seats have large manufacturing plants, a hard Brexit or WTO would hit these areas hard. I think a softish Brexit is likely on the cards now.

I agree.

there is evidently a small lead of remainers over brexiters from the shares of votes:

CON: 43.6
Lab: 32.2
LD: 11.5
SNP: 3.9
BXP: 2.0

Total brexiters: 45.6
total remainers: 47.3

source:

Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returned as PM with all constituencies declared

Boris Johnson will remain prime minister with a comfortable majority, as numerous Labour heartland seats fall to the Conservatives. Find out what’s happened in every constituency.

www.theguardian.com

BJ's large majority will result in a Canada++ brexit deal.

 

[Zlatan]

Just been out for my normal 10 mile ride to the park and back, and all is going precisely as anticipated, just be patient.

Sorry but the most dangerous thing in this country is and remains those who voted for Brexit, otherwise none of this would have happened, isn't it a blessing that they "knew what they were voting for"?
And now they are going to get the Government we don't deserve, but they do.

Time to move on OG. Think you made this post about 1000 times.

 

[Zlatan]

I agree.

there is evidently a small lead of remainers over brexiters from the shares of votes:

CON: 43.6
Lab: 32.2
LD: 11.5
SNP: 3.9
BXP: 2.0

Total brexiters: 45.6
total remainers: 47.3

source:

Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returned as PM with all constituencies declared

Boris Johnson will remain prime minister with a comfortable majority, as numerous Labour heartland seats fall to the Conservatives. Find out what’s happened in every constituency.

www.theguardian.com

BJ's large majority will result in a Canada++ brexit deal.

Can you explain this Woosh. I thought part of BJ's rhetoric was all his mps were leavers. He wasnt lying was he?

 

[Fingers]

I got paid today. I get to look after my little boy today. I move into my Brexit house next week.

Christmas the following week. Baby due on the 6th.

**** politics.

Life is good.

 

[oyster]

I agree.

there is evidently a small lead of remainers over brexiters from the shares of votes:

CON: 43.6
Lab: 32.2
LD: 11.5
SNP: 3.9
BXP: 2.0

Total brexiters: 45.6
total remainers: 47.3

source:

Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returned as PM with all constituencies declared

Boris Johnson will remain prime minister with a comfortable majority, as numerous Labour heartland seats fall to the Conservatives. Find out what’s happened in every constituency.

www.theguardian.com

BJ's large majority will result in a Canada++ brexit deal.

No wonder he didn't want a referendum.

 

[Woosh]

Can you explain this Woosh. I thought part of BJ's rhetoric was all his mps were leavers. He wasnt lying was he?

His MPs are not all leavers, they simply sign up to support his brexit plan, whatever it is or will be until February.
Remainer tory MPs are still there but they won't vote against him.
ERG members are surprisingly quiet.
Their enemy is no longer Labour but soft brexiters.

 

[vfr400]

I agree.

there is evidently a small lead of remainers over brexiters from the shares of votes:

CON: 43.6
Lab: 32.2
LD: 11.5
SNP: 3.9
BXP: 2.0

Total brexiters: 45.6
total remainers: 47.3

source:

Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returned as PM with all constituencies declared

Boris Johnson will remain prime minister with a comfortable majority, as numerous Labour heartland seats fall to the Conservatives. Find out what’s happened in every constituency.

www.theguardian.com

BJ's large majority will result in a Canada++ brexit deal.

That analysis is incorrect. Labour and Conservative party policies might be remain and leave, but it doesn't follow that all their voters are. Many people vote for a party for reasons other than Brexit.