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The press seem to suggest parallels between Trump and Brexit,maybe in the reasons why both won but in the solution they are literally worlds apart.
Trump is determined to make America for America,reducing corporate tax from 35% to 15% and introducing import tariffs,as much as 45%.
The effect will be an inward looking country,American corporations will boom.jobs will be created but everyone will have to accept paying more for everything,that may be ok if you have a job.
May is intending to remove tariff barriers,promote globalisation,that is the exact opposite of Trump. Globalisation didnt work for the poor of America,is it likely to work any better for us?
I am concerned you remove those barriers and cheap Asian product will flood into the UK and cause big job losses,the absolute opposite of what Trump is proposing.
Who is right???
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tillson said:
Nigel Farage is an elected politician. He has been elected as a politician to the EU Parliament. He has shown friendship and support to one of the UK's allies, the US and their new president.

Farage is also the leader of the third largest party in UK politics.
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And the smallest one in parliament remember!
 
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tillson said:
No hopes dashed wicky. Farage has done an admirable job so far in the face of vile and unfair criticism. It's also to his credit that he has maintained a dignified and statesman like persona throughout, rising above such activity.

Farage has done no harm to UK / US relationships, unlike May & Jonson, so we should be grateful to him for his work.
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Whoa there, any vile and unfair criticism has come from Farage aimed at the EU
Remarks aimed at him were simply well deserved.
Lets get the facts right, haven't you watched when he behaves like a football yob at the EU?
Farage has harmed UK/US relations by trying to hog the limelight and tout for a job that fortunately he didn't get.
By the way what work has he done we should be grateful for? most of the time he hasn't turned up at the place where he is supposed to be working, has he?
Mind you that absence has been greeted with relief by all and sundry.
 
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How can anyone who isn't elected as an MP do that, especially when the second rate (sorry third rate) party he was associated has How many Mp's?
Never mind the obsolete MEP's, is it 100, 50? 10? 5?
Remind us how many does it have and is Mr Toad one of them?

What happened to Brexit being a protest about unelected EU officials and Commissioners? and "Taking back Control"

Who is doing the taking back, and who is doing the control?
perhaps Rupert Murdoch? was he elected?

Brexit becomes more and more of a farce and so does this coup attempt by Farage and co.
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The Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary have put themselves on the back foot with the new president of the USA. Mrs May spoke about barring him from entering the UK and The Foreign Secretary has said that he is, "Cleary out of his mind." Of course, like many people, both are hopelessly out of touch with the mood of the country and dismissive of any possibility of a political upset. The USA result has bitten them, again.

The UK / US relationship is an important one and the above is not a good start with the new president. Nigel Farage, in his capacity as an elected politician and supporter of Trump has been repairing the damage done by our government. He has a legitimate right to do so and you should be grateful.

Why do you want a sour relationship with Trump?
 
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tillson said:
The Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary have put themselves on the back foot with the new president of the USA. Mrs May spoke about barring him from entering the UK and The Foreign Secretary has said that he is, "Cleary out of his mind." Of course, like many people, both are hopelessly out of touch with the mood of the country and dismissive of any possibility of a political upset. The USA result has bitten them, again.

The UK / US relationship is an important one and the above is not a good start with the new president. Nigel Farage, in his capacity as an elected politician and supporter of Trump has been repairing the damage done by our government. He has a legitimate right to do so and you should be grateful.

Why do you want a sour relationship with Trump?
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because he's a racist demagogue. why don't you?
 
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Why do you want a sour relationship with Trump?
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yes, why not? Either he accepts our values or he is not wanted here.
Let's face it: he wants to renegotiate NAFTA with his neighbours, that will take years. He will be long gone before we can join NAFTA if we ever come to that.
 
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derf said:
oddly I am coming round to a UKIP perspective on this
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/14/theresa-may-does-not-need-third-person-nigel-farage-in-trump-relationship-no-10
I think Theresa may needs a third person in the relationship with trump. I think the Tories need some division. an di think Farage really - and I mean really - needs an international stage to parade all that racism. with someone every bit as racist. let's get it all out in the open.
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I do not believe that Nigel Farage is a racist and have seen no evidence which supports your claim.
 
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yes, why not? Either he accepts our values or he is not wanted here.
Let's face it: he wants to renegotiate NAFTA with his neighbours, that will take years. He will be long gone before we can join NAFTA if we ever come to that.
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Personally, I think it is a mistake to intentionally sour a relationship with foreign nationals or a foreign country, particularly if they are offering no hostility in return.
 
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Personally, I think it is a mistake to intentionally sour a relationship with foreign nationals or a foreign country, particularly if they are offering no hostility in return.
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yup, let's be expedient, let's not let principle get in the way of anything. you're in good company, I think Neville chamberlain would approve.
 
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tillson said:
Personally, I think it is a mistake to intentionally sour a relationship with foreign nationals or a foreign country, particularly if they are offering no hostility in return.
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blimey! all PC of a sudden?
 
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There is no evidence there derf, just excitable journalism. Farage said that he would prioritise a job vacancy within the UK for a UK based citizen and not offer it to a foreign national in the first instance.
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yet more obfuscation
 
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yup, let's be expedient, let's not let principle get in the way of anything. you're in good company, I think Neville chamberlain would approve.
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derf, you talk about racism and here we have you rebuking friendship with a foreign country and its new leader. Give the man a chance.
 
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