Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

My fear is that he can do a great deal of damage. Damage equal in magnitude to Brexit.

This is almost funny. One moment he's incompetent and useless, now he's superman achieving the impossible!

Seriously, his first action would be to agree a single market customs union with the EU, exactly what they want too. Then getting on with the trade deals which would be expedited by that new circumstance making our trading with the EU countries simple and easy.

As part of that he'd be trying to get the EU to agree to his desire to nationalise the railways and water, his primary aims. By then with at least two years passed, possibly much more since trade deals take time, how much harm is that?

I'm afraid that like so many, you've let hysteria take hold. Apply a sense of perspective and you'll understand that Jeremy Corbyn is no superman and will be very limited in what he can really change in one term, especially with so many Blairite MPs undermining his efforts and his balance of power very low. Remember, every step will need parliamentary approval for which he'd need all his MPs voting with him.

Reality is he'd possibly achieve nothing!
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[Nev]

He knows it and waffles on about giving free this and free that.

Interesting piece in the Guardian about this subject, its worth a read.

Free stuff for absolutely everyone. What could possibly go wrong with that? | Andrew Rawnsley

Voters won’t trust politicians promising the moon if they suspect it will end up costing them the earth

www.theguardian.com

 

[oldgroaner]

Another "Nothing to see here" Headline in the Independent

"
New health secretary Matt Hancock received £32,000 in donations from chair of think tank that wants NHS 'abolished'

Matt Hancock received nine donations between £2,000 and £4,000 from businessman who heads board of free market group, the Institute of Economic Affairs

 

[50Hertz]

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It was a tall man dressed as a sailor. I recall that he didn’t sweat, which I thought was unusual. The man dressed as a sailor said that he was a ventriloquist and he.........I can’t say what happened next, I feel so violated.

I remember this because it happened in the Woking branch of Pizza Express. I hardly ever go to Pizza Express and never, apart from this one occasion, do I go to the Woking branch. That’s how I remember it.

 

[daveboy]

My fear is that he can do a great deal of damage. Damage equal in magnitude to Brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

OG
I assume you, ll now be voting for Labour from you last post?
I actually agree Tories played their part in destroying British industry, the combined incompetence of both Parties gave British Industry little chance of real progress. (I actually worked for BL in early 70's and witnessed the stupidity at every level from top to bottom and the part over powerful unions played)
But the rot had started years before.
The Tories simply refused to put money into already failed and ild fashioned practices.
The fantastic years you talk of from Atlee oversaw the real decline. (ie pre 1955). He really should have oversaw much more industrial investment along side social welfare. One without the other cant work,as the 70's demonstrated.
Who will you be voting for OG?

In this area the only realistic choice is Labour, at least with them there is the chance of a referendum

 

[oyster]

I rather liked this comment in the Guardian re tories' policies today:

przychodnia
19m ago

"Reduction in NI contributions"? Well, no alliance with the DUP should save some money.

 

[Woosh]

Interesting piece in the Guardian about this subject, its worth a read.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/17/free-stuff-for-absolutely-everyone-what-could-possibly-go-wrong-with-that

thank you for the link.

Probably because it is an old and usually reliable law of election campaigns that it is not enough to have policies that are popular. Commitments also have to be credible. You may like me more if I promise everyone in Britain a month’s free holiday on my super-yacht, but you will trust me less when you realise that I don’t have a super-yacht.

Labour has three critical problems with its many spending promises. First, a lot of voters tend to be instinctively suspicious that a party promising the moon will end up costing them the earth. Fairly or not, that suspicion tends to be higher when the party is of the left.

 

[Fingers]

My fear is that he can do a great deal of damage. Damage equal in magnitude to Brexit.

You have to admit that you are more susceptible than most at believing tory propaganda though.

Always try and factor that in.

 

[oldgroaner]

Poor Boris another of his indiscretions has come up again in the Guardian.
"

Johnson-Arcuri investigation to review affair with another woman
Exclusive: PM’s relationship with Helen Macintyre will be examined by London assembly
An investigation into the prime minister’s relationship with the US businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri will also review an affair that Boris Johnson failed to declare when he was mayor of London, the Guardian can reveal.

Johnson escaped censure in 2010 when he failed to declare an interest over an unpaid City Hall adviser, Helen Macintyre, who it later emerged had an extramarital affair with the then London mayor and gave birth to one of his children.

Johnson acknowledged to the Greater London Authority’s standards committee at the time that a potential conflict of interest had not been disclosed over Macintyre and vowed to “bear in mind the definition of close associate for the future”.

Apparently he forgot?

 

[oyster]

Poor Boris another of his indiscretions has come up again in the Guardian.
"

Johnson-Arcuri investigation to review affair with another woman
Exclusive: PM’s relationship with Helen Macintyre will be examined by London assembly
An investigation into the prime minister’s relationship with the US businesswoman Jennifer Arcuri will also review an affair that Boris Johnson failed to declare when he was mayor of London, the Guardian can reveal.

Johnson escaped censure in 2010 when he failed to declare an interest over an unpaid City Hall adviser, Helen Macintyre, who it later emerged had an extramarital affair with the then London mayor and gave birth to one of his children.

Johnson acknowledged to the Greater London Authority’s standards committee at the time that a potential conflict of interest had not been disclosed over Macintyre and vowed to “bear in mind the definition of close associate for the future”.

Apparently he forgot?

All these to stop him spaffing up the wall! He'd have been better off finding a discrete wall...

 

[oldgroaner]

This looks official

Special advisers: code of conduct

The special advisers' code of conduct sets out guidance for rules and work.

www.gov.uk

But since no one takes a blind bit of notice of this guidance, you have to ask
Is it real?

There is one interesting bit that is a warning
"
A Brexit deal has been agreed in principle with the EU.

Both the UK and the EU need to approve and sign the withdrawal agreement. They will then start to negotiate new arrangements. There would be a transition period to prepare for new rules.

The UK could still leave with no deal if the withdrawal agreement is not approved by 31 January 2020, or at the end of a transition period.

Find out what you, your family, or your business should do to be prepared if the UK leaves the EU with no deal.

Check how to prepare for a no deal Brexit

Hmm!

 

[Danidl]

This looks official

Special advisers: code of conduct

The special advisers' code of conduct sets out guidance for rules and work.

www.gov.uk

But since no one takes a blind bit of notice of this guidance, you have to ask
Is it real?

There is one interesting bit that is a warning
"
A Brexit deal has been agreed in principle with the EU.

Both the UK and the EU need to approve and sign the withdrawal agreement. They will then start to negotiate new arrangements. There would be a transition period to prepare for new rules.

The UK could still leave with no deal if the withdrawal agreement is not approved by 31 January 2020, or at the end of a transition period.

Find out what you, your family, or your business should do to be prepared if the UK leaves the EU with no deal.

Check how to prepare for a no deal Brexit

Hmm!

Ignoring the fact that the civil service will usually be lagging the political process,.. the prospect of the election will not have been factored into the publication of these guides, I am astonished by the complacency . A Crashout Brexit is still fully on the cards.
Consider
1. The Benn Act is now history.. there is no requirement for any future PM to abide by it.
2. A Parliament must meet and select a Government. How long this will take is problematic
3. The Old agreement or WAB mark2 has fallen and would need to be reintroduced with First Readings etc again.
4. There is no guarantee that WAB mark3 will be even the same as mark2.
5. The EU Parliament will only agree AFTER the modified WA has passed into law by the UK.
6. The End of January ,is not a long time away.
7. Unless these things are sorted, the Crashout or potentially yet another extension looms.

 

[flecc]

7. Unless these things are sorted, the Crashout or potentially yet another extension looms.

Another extension probably. We are doomed to live with Brexit for evermore!

Or at least that could be true for people of my age, given that the trade talks following any extension can alone exceed 7 years.

Traditionally we've scared our little kids with stories about wicked witches and big bad wolves. In future the bit between "Once upon a time" and "they all lived happily ever after" will probably be about Brexit.
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[50Hertz]

You have to admit that you are more susceptible than most at believing tory propaganda though.

Always try and factor that in.

True. I’m quite a trusting person and I’ve had my fingers burnt a few times as a result.

 

[Fingers]

Good to see Khan keeping his promise of not putting tfl fares up.

 

[flecc]

Good to see Khan keeping his promise of not putting tfl fares up.

Indeed, Sadiq with his quietly honest way of working is infinitely preferable to when we were lumbered with Boris Johnson's wasteful and lying ways as Mayor.
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[oldgroaner]

A Campaign Map for you
https://www.mycampaignmap.com/constituency/E14000772

 

[oldgroaner]

Tweet of the day methinks
"
Lady: Did you know, OXO have brought a new cube out for #Brexit. Do you know what it's called?
Reporter: No
Lady: Laughing stock

 

[oldgroaner]

Some erk at no 10 has upset Anne Widdecombe