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Then we should make a floating pontoon.

We can reuse all the single use plastic water bottles to float the ******.

Simples.

Remember, where there’s a will there’s a way.
True, but the bridge users could get seasick. It would be the Millennium bridge writ large!
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No country has ever left the EU in the history of the EU.
The nearest was when home rule for Greenland began in 1979, it held a new referendum and voted to leave the EEC, as the EU was known then. But of course it was a territory and not a fully fledged country.

They also had a tough departure experience, it wasn't completed until 1985, making our three years to date seem almost acceptable.
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The nearest was when home rule for Greenland began in 1979, it held a new referendum and voted to leave the EEC, as the EU was known then. But of course it was a territory and not a fully fledged country.

They also had a tough departure experience, it wasn't completed until 1985, making our three years to date seem almost acceptable.
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Greenland is a very, very valuable resource.

We should consider building a bridge there.
 

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How to distort reality
Daily Express

Headline should read
New proposal from Labour for confirmatory Referendum on Brexit before General Election

Somehow it get's twisted into a plot? and a referendum is a Betrayal?


Labour plots Brexit betrayal referendum: Tom Watson declares vote 'no longer valid'
LABOUR’S deputy leader will call for the party to block an election indefinitely and instead push for a Brexit betrayal referendum.
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Clearly the Express fears a defeat for it's Tax Dodger's charter.
But if the public turn out not to want Brexit they are being betrayed by the Express
 
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This is fun
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Boris Johnson’s £100m “prepare for Brexit” advertising campaign is being run by two US-owned companies, according to Campaign magazine.

The advertising drive is designed to promote the ways that businesses can get ready for a no-deal Brexit, though it has been labelled as a blatant propaganda effort.


The £100m campaign will be led by the communications and media agency Engine Group. While Engine is based in London, it’s owned by Lake Capital, a US private equity company, and ORC International, a research company based in New Jersey.

Meanwhile, Campaign magazine reports that media buying (the process of buying TV, radio and online advertising placements), will be handled by Manning Gottlieb OMD. Again, although Manning Gottlieb is headquartered in London, it’s owned by Omnicom Media Group – a US firm with revenues of $15bn that trades on the New York Stock Exchange.
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Anything special about Engine Group as a company apart from being American?

Collin Roy Abert, Paul Jason Caine, Lawrence Jeffrey Diamond - all US-based Directors of Engine Group, beneficiaries of the £100m ‘Prepare for Brexit’ campaign. Take a look on Companies House, their accounts are fascinating. £63m in debt.

Great TAX DODGE running at loss

 
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Comments from the Asses mouth on the subject "We knew what we were voting for"

And another one


Perhaps most telling of all


And this man is the adviser of the PM?
Plenty more on this thread

And the source is Cummings Blog, if you fancy being bored rigid reading the rantings of a sociopath, read it and check yourself.
I did. He needs a padded cell.
 
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Comments from the Asses mouth on the subject "We knew what we were voting for"

And another one


Perhaps most telling of all


And this man is the adviser of the PM?
Plenty more on this thread

And the source is Cummings Blog, if you fancy being bored rigid reading the rantings of a sociopath, read it and check yourself.
I did. He needs a padded cell.
Sociopath or not, he's certainly right as this thread shows at the time. Hardly any in here understood the indivisibility of the Four Freedoms of the EU, or even what they were. Instead Leavers prattled on about controlling immigration from the EU while getting a good deal, not realising they were saying the impossible.

Even when I explained they didn't get it and many still don't.
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The Thoughts of Chairman Cummings are in this thread reader
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1171077197295226883.html

He slates everyone and every thing, the man is off his head.

Boris is being advised by an Anarchist who is simply using Brexit as an excuse for subversive sabotage, and the joke is the right wingers think he is working for them!
I've had to give you a disagree since I don't understand why you can't see the sense in what Cummings is saying in that thread. I don't see he's off his head at all.

But you are right that he's sabotaging the people he's working for.
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The Thoughts of Chairman Cummings are in this thread reader
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1171077197295226883.html

He slates everyone and every thing, the man is off his head.

Boris is being advised by an Anarchist who is simply using Brexit as an excuse for subversive sabotage, and the joke is the right wingers think he is working for them!
flecc and I rarely disagree, so this is the justification for my view I offer in support
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1174863/dominic-cummings-brexit-news-latest-boris-johnson-eu-tory-rebels-artificial-intelligence
 

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I've had to give you a disagree since I don't understand why you can't see the sense in what Cummings is saying in that thread. I don't see he's off his head at all.

But you are right that he's sabotaging the people he's working for.
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This should prove interesting, Cummings literally wants to replace Human control over affairs with Artificial intelligence.
Despite the fact that there is much of what he says being true, his intentions are to put it simply dangerously absurd.
The dangers of this course of action are manifest.
And to propose such a thing is what I mean by "off his head"
 

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This should prove interesting, Cummings literally wants to replace Human control over affairs with Artificial intelligence.
Despite the fact that there is much of what he says being true, his intentions are to put it simply dangerously absurd.
The dangers of this course of action are manifest.
And to propose such a thing is what I mean by "off his head"
Agreed, we haven't even created any AI yet, though many delude themselved into thinking we have.
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current state of brexit poll: remain would win but only by a small margin.
Deltapoll: 46/40 (= 53/47 without the don't vote)
YouGov 46/43 (=52/48 without the don't vote)


 
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Agreed, we haven't even created any AI yet, though many delude themselved into thinking we have.
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What is worrying is that Cummings isn't erudite enough to visualise a path to the "New Model Government" he wants.
Beyond the disruption his playing with the wheels of Government will cause he appears to have nothing to offer but to cause chaos in the hope that somehow a new order will emerge.
Why should it?
History is full of cases where disruption of a political system resulted in ultimate collapse, not the emergence of a better society.
And here he is setting the first foundations of his master plan to initiate control of the public






Alex Spence

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EXCL: I've been leaked a personal minute from Boris Johnson to cabinet ministers in which he says wants to turn the public http://GOV.UK site into a platform for "targeted and personalised" data to be gathered in the run-up to Brexit.

Hmm..... if you think this is for your own good, you really lack judgement.
What happened to the laws on Data Privacy?
 
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