Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Just listened to Corbyn on the BBC News. He seems more determined than ever to lose the next GE.

Labour won't campaign to leave or remain but will seek a deal and then put it to a referendum with the choice of accepting the deal or remaining in the EU

Jolly sporting!
A real go getter, this is getting more and more like a Monty Python sketch every day.

I have a good idea, if we find we get along nicely without Parliament, why don't we just sell off the building and do a Stormont?
The slogan could be" We invest £XXx Billions in Meps and Lords salaries and expenses, why not invest the money in the NHS (and put in on the side of a Bus)
 

oldgroaner

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As Parliament begins it's Five week Break Boris enjoys a celebratory lunch with his closest allies.
 

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Labour won't campaign to leave or remain but will seek a deal and then put it to a referendum with the choice of accepting the deal or remaining in the EU
I support this, it's what Theresa May should have done since it had been given to the public in the first instance.

She should have said, " You were promised by the Leave campaign we'd leave with a deal and you voted for that in the referendum. Here's the best Leave deal the EU will give us, now you the public decide whether it's good enough or whether you'd prefer to remain in the EU."

A simple two choice confirming referendum.
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Zlatan

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Just listened to Corbyn on the BBC News. He seems more determined than ever to lose the next GE.

Labour won't campaign to leave or remain but will seek a deal and then put it to a referendum with the choice of accepting the deal or remaining in the EU

Jolly sporting!
A real go getter, this is getting more and more like a Monty Python sketch every day.

I have a good idea, if we find we get along nicely without Parliament, why don't we just sell off the building and do a Stormont?
The slogan could be" We invest £XXx Billions in Meps and Lords salaries and expenses, why not invest the money in the NHS (and put in on the side of a Bus)
Now dont go upsetting Flecc after he has just run in blowing his bugle defending you. Leave Corbyn out of this, he doesnt want any publicity, good bad or indifferent. This stupid Brexit thing almost ruined his cosy little nest by promoting him to PM. He' s worked tirelessly to avoid that.
Why cant folk just leave him alone to his onions and anti semitism.
Besides, leavers have a lot to thank Corbyn for, had labour had a leader over last 3 years Brexit would have been cancelled months ago. Good old Corbyn I think. He, s kept the dream alive.
 

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I support this, it's what Theresa May should have done since it had been given to the public in the first instance.

She should have said, " You were promised by the Leave campaign we'd leave with a deal and you voted for that in the referendum. Here's the best Leave deal the EU will give us, now you the public decide whether it's good enough or whether you'd prefer to remain in the EU."

A simple two choice confirming referendum.
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Well Corbyn has two supporters on here then,for rather different reasons, but there you go.
Luckily for Brexit, Tories, May, ERG, DUP, BJ and to cost of rest of us, including entire EU, Corbyn is worst opposition leader in our history. Fact.
 
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Zlatan

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I didn't, I voted to leave with or without a deal. Maybe I was the only one.
Everybody who read Hargreaves letter did exactly same. He insisted we, d get a deal within hours of leaving, obviously implying we, d leave without one. No deal was almost a prerequisite for most. Besides, there was no distinction on voting form. Leaving with or without a deal was nothing to do with vote.
My view was, and still is, a deal would be sorted after leaving. Necessity is mother of invention. It would (will?) have got sorted.
The mistake has always been us removing no deal prior to leaving. Utter stupidity, destroys any negotiations and turns our negotiators into beggars.
Imagine how UK would feel if EU outlawed no deal. Remainers have sabotaged our negotiations.
We needed the threat of no deal..... to avoid no deal.
Quite ironic that many on here criticise our negotiations but support removing no deal from table. Thick or what.
 
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Now Boris wants to build a bridge from Scotland to Northern Ireland
From wavering over HS2 the clown prince wants to do this?

What earth is the point of building 30 mile long bridge?
 

oldgroaner

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Everybody who read Hargreaves letter did exactly same. He insisted we, d get a deal within hours of leaving, obviously implying we, d leave without one. No deal was almost a prerequisite for most. Besides, there was no distinction on voting form. Leaving with or without a deal was nothing to do with vote.
My view was, and still is, a deal would be sorted after leaving. Necessity is mother of invention. It would (will?) have got sorted.
The mistake has always been us removing no deal prior to leaving. Utter stupidity, destroys any negotiations and turns our negotiators into beggars.
Imagine how UK would feel if EU outlawed no deal. Remainers have sabotaged our negotiations.
We needed the threat of no deal..... to avoid no deal.
Quite ironic that many on here criticise our negotiations but support removing no deal from table. Thick or what.
So in your infinite wisdom you didn't believe all the promises made?
How many of your 17.4 million felt the same?
Are you speaking for them?

May tried the No deal ploy and it was thrown out wasn't it!
Usual nonsense to try using a redundant ploy that has already failed.
You posted this
"Quite ironic that many on here criticise our negotiations but support removing no deal from table.

And one or two want to use the same ploy that has already been used by May and rejected by the EU.
Thick or what..pointless and making the atmosphere of the negotiations toxic before they start
 

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Now Boris wants to build a bridge from Scotland to Northern Ireland
From wavering over HS2 the clown prince wants to do this?

What earth is the point of building 30 mile long bridge?
1) At least the garden bridge only wasted £53 million.
2) He might save a few quid by building it from a few miles from Macrihanish to somewhere near Ballycastle. It **looks** a bit shorter.
3) I'd be interested in a dam. Think of the electricity generation potential.
4) "Bridge" begins with a B so of course he wants to build it.
5) Why did I just waste my time thinking about the idiot?
 
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Now Boris wants to build a bridge from Scotland to Northern Ireland
From wavering over HS2 the clown prince wants to do this?

What earth is the point of building 30 mile long bridge?

It’s an excellent idea that makes the whole of Europe accessible by road.

We should have started this project as soon as the Chunnel was finished.

I would say Wales would be the better place to put it though.
 
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So in your infinite wisdom you didn't believe all the promises made?
How many of your 17.4 million felt the same?
Are you speaking for them?

May tried the No deal ploy and it was thrown out wasn't it!
Usual nonsense to try using a redundant ploy that has already failed.
You posted this
"Quite ironic that many on here criticise our negotiations but support removing no deal from table.

And one or two want to use the same ploy that has already been used by May and rejected by the EU.
Thick or what..pointless and making the atmosphere of the negotiations toxic before they start

Your brain is like a toilet.

Flushed.
 

oldgroaner

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Well Corbyn has two supporters on here then,for rather different reasons, but there you go.
Luckily for Brexit, Tories, May, ERG, DUP, BJ and to cost of rest of us, including entire EU, Corbyn is worst opposition leader in our history. Fact.
Opposed by the worst Prime Minister with a Monkey on His back, and a dodgy Snake Oil salesman running a greasy spoon company claiming to be a political party, the funds of which can be shifted in to his offshore account when the going gets tough.
 

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It’s an excellent idea that makes the whole of Europe accessible by road.

We should have started this project as soon as the Chunnel was finished.

I would say Wales would be the better place to put it though.
Well, all of Europe except Malta, the Balearics, Sardinia, Crete, Cyprus, Dodecanese, the Hebrides, Orkney, Shetland, the Friesian islands, ....

I agree that there might have been some sense in using the boring machines on another project. (Just not this one!)

And which bit of Wales? Holyhead to Kilkeel? Abergwaun to Wexford (of course, that wouldn't fit the NI bit)?
 

oldgroaner

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It’s an excellent idea that makes the whole of Europe accessible by road.

We should have started this project as soon as the Chunnel was finished.

I would say Wales would be the better place to put it though.
Fingers, Europe is not in that direction
 
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Fingers

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It would be a UK project and would have to be built in the UK, the shortest crossing is Scotland to NI. A bridge from Wales to NI would be a bridge too far.

Right......

So Denmark and Sweden are the same country?

You keep playing the fool and at some point we will be forced to take you at your word.
 

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