Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Rees Mogg tweeted
· 13h
Why is the Labour Party afraid of an election? Because they don't think they can win and because they don't trust the people.

I tweeted back
Replying to
@brexit_sham
Why would the Labour Party jump in to take the blame for the mess you have made? clean up your mess then go to the country instead of hoping you can get a sympathy vote before the proverbial hits the fan, or are you too cowardly to wait?

 

[oldgroaner]

So JRM and BJ have both turned to Wakefield.

Didn't they do well

 

[daveboy]

Actually your post has confirmed Boris lied again! he must have known May had tried this tactic and it failed, mustn't he?
So why pretend he can make it work?

Now shoot the other foot

As I said....I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THEM.

 

[oyster]

There are two reasons for Brexit

1. Protection of offshore tax havens
2. Politicians in the pay of American Corporate interests

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1169693328876720134

These American fifth columnist Leave Campaign traitors to the United Kingdom must be stopped or they will make us a vassal state of America, with all the injustice and poverty that squalid right wing regime represent in the cause of profit regardless of human cost.

Don't forget Putin. It is reported that DC has Russian connections and speaks fluent Russian...

 

[oyster]

Didn't they do well

And now JRM has had to apologise.

I'd have thought such unacceptable behaviour should entail loss of whip and deselection. (Rather, I'd have hoped...)

 

[Woosh]

Rees Mogg tweeted
· 13h
Why is the Labour Party afraid of an election? Because they don't think they can win and because they don't trust the people.

I tweeted back
Replying to
@brexit_sham
Why would the Labour Party jump in to take the blame for the mess you have made? clean up your mess then go to the country instead of hoping you can get a sympathy vote before the proverbial hits the fan, or are you too cowardly to wait?

I think Corbyn's instinct may be right on this, October election instead of November.

If Bojo does not write the letter on 19-October then what?

Take him to Court?
Vote of no confidence?
He'll laugh at the rebel alliance.

If he manages to get no deal brexit, then the BXP will fold, Bojo will win big.
The rebel alliance will have to take him on in October or launch a vote of no confidence now.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think Corbyn's instinct may be right on this, October election instead of November.

If Bojo does not write the letter on 19-October then what?

Take him to Court?
Vote of no confidence?
He'll laugh at the rebel alliance.

If he manages to get no deal brexit, then the BXP will fold, Bojo will win big.
The rebel alliance will have to take him on in October or launch a vote of no confidence now.

Be interesting to see what becomes of the money Farage's swindle has hoovered up goes if the BXP mini company does fold!
If ever there was a case of fools and their money being easily parted that is it

 

[Woosh]

Be interesting to see what becomes of the money Farage's swindle has hoovered up goes if the BXP mini company does fold!

he's entitled to all of it minus the tax.

 

[flecc]

it's at least a concrete proposal.
We may get somewhere.

I saw it as the opposite, a deliberate spoiler on David Frost's part, him knowing full well that it wasn't even the start of a basis for discussion.

Either he was under the delusion that it would shock the EU into softening or the intention was always a No Deal.
.

 

[daveboy]

If the EU are serious about letting us leave with no deal, will they even grant an extension?

 

[Woosh]

I saw it as the opposite, a deliberate spoiler on David Frost's part, him knowing full well that it wasn't even the start of a basis for discussion.

Either he was under the delusion that it would shock the EU into softening or the intention was always a No Deal.
.

I am pretty sure that the intention is to pretend negotiating and to deflect the blame for no deal onto others than the present team.
However, it does form the basis for the future. The principle of the backstop will not be removed, that's the important point.
Even if the EU gave to Bojo all the concessions at this stage, this deal cannot pass parliament without support of JC because half of the remaining tory MPs will oppose it.
He can only do this if he has a majority of at least 40-50 after the GE.

 

[flecc]

If the EU are serious about letting us leave with no deal will they even grant an extension?

Yes, because every extension brings a possibility that we'll change our mind and scrap Brexit or at least accept the deal.

It's an either-or situation, either No Deal or they largely get their way. They really don't care any more, and who can blame them after our three years of prevarication.
.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

If the EU are serious about letting us leave with no deal will they even grant an extension?

What an odd bunch brexiteers are. Threatening the eu, giving ultimatums, generally behaving like mindless unprincipled thugs. Then accusing the eu of being intimidating, or suggesting it will behave badly. It has been reasonable throughout.
"letting us leave with no deal"? The eu isnt stopping us. If there were a majority for a hard brexit in the country we'd be free to run down the clock and go. This fantasy of a controlling eu stopping us is really just your projections.

 

[Danidl]

If the EU are serious about letting us leave with no deal, will they even grant an extension?

Wrong slant on the question. The EU have offered the UK a Deal ,the UK refuse to accept it. However I have doubts as to whether the EU will entertain an Extension ,unless it has linked requirements ..like a GE or Referendum. The constant bawling of this needy child is getting wearisome.

 

[daveboy]

However I have doubts as to whether the EU will entertain an Extension

Lets hope they don't.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

Lets hope they don't.

So, this isnt about the eu is it?

 

[Woosh]

So, this isnt about the eu is it?

no, it's about which bloc is more important and with whom we should do a deal first, the EU or the USA.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

no, it's about which bloc is more important and with whom we should do a deal first, the EU or the USA.

Or it is about brexiteers hoping a democratic process derails (in this case via the eu saying no)so that there will be a de facto hard brexit they know the majority of the electorate doesnt want. This is very much disingenuous undemocratic boris Johnson behaviour. As were all discovering very few are taken in by it.

 

[Danidl]

Lets hope they don't.

Don't include me in your hope..

 

[Danidl]

Or it is about brexiteers hoping a democratic process derails (in this case via the eu saying no)so that there will be a de facto hard brexit they know the majority of the electorate doesnt want. This is very much disingenuous undemocratic boris Johnson behaviour. As were all discovering very few are taken in by it.

There would be nothing undemocratic about the EU refusing to entertain another UK request for yet another extension. The squabbling is all in and on Westminster. In fact an agreement by the EU would be hyper democratic as it requires unanimously agreement by 100% of the selected electorate.