Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Here you go folks!
Alternative arrangement for the Irish Border
Remember the TV advert where it's the battle of the little big Horn and Custer's mobile rings?
"It's reinforcements!" he cries and the Indians turn away
"And they'll be here Wednesday!"
The Indians attack

To save time this caveat blows the whole thing out of the water
"The key points set out in our Report are as follows:
• Working Alternative Arrangements should be fully up and running within three years, with the ability to implement some measures considerably sooner.

Fortunately we have all the time in the world....no pressure


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The key points set out in our Report are as follows:
• Working Alternative Arrangements should be fully up and running within three years, with the ability to implement some measures considerably sooner.
• Alternative Arrangements are available through harnessing existing technologies and customs best practice already in use around the world.
• New technology has a role to support policy, but any technology suggested for deployment in the first instance is already in use elsewhere.
• A one size fits all solution should be avoided; instead people and traders should be given the maximum possible choice of options.
• Enhanced Economic Zones, benefiting from relevant WTO exemptions, such as frontier traffic and national security, offer potentially valuable solutions which respect the realities of border and cross-border communities.
• A multi-tier trusted trader programme for large and medium sized companies should be introduced, with exemptions for the smallest companies.
• The use of transit in the general trading case to ensure no checks at the border.
• Building on the Single Epidemiological Unit, which currently exists on the Island of Ireland, we suggest a common Sanitary and Phyto-Sanitary (SPS) zone for the UK and the Island of Ireland. If the UK decided to diverge materially in SPS rules, it would be up to the Northern Irish executive and the Northern Ireland Assembly, after consultation with the Northern-South Ministerial Council and the British-Irish Council, whether to align with the Irish and EU regime or the rest of the UK.
• In the event no common regulatory areas can be achieved, transit for the general case would include Sanitary and Phyto-Sanitary (SPS) checks to be carried out by mobile units away from the border, building on the direction of
travel of EU regulation in this area, but seeking necessary derogations from the EU.
• A transitional adjustment fund paid for by the UK, to assist with the implementation of Alternative Arrangements on both sides of the Irish border for small businesses.
• A capacity building fund paid for by the UK, to support customs development for UK and IE governments. • An independent arbitration panel and a specialist committee to advise on implementation.

How many ifs, but and maybes can you put in one report?
This is a letter to Santa and it will only be it the post
for Three years? :D :D :D :D

Think tanks ain't what they used to be when I was on them, you had to have some semblance of a logical process at work between your ears, not just be capable of fabricating
"Duck billed platitudes" to order as they do now
 
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Danidl

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Here you go folks!
Alternative arrangement for the Irish Border
Remember the TV advert where it's the battle of the little big Horn and Custer's mobile rings?
"It's reinforcements!" he cries and the Indians turn away
"And they'll be here Wednesday!"
The Indians attack

To save time this caveat blows the whole thing out of the water
"The key points set out in our Report are as follows:
• Working Alternative Arrangements should be fully up and running within three years, with the ability to implement some measures considerably sooner.

Fortunately we have all the time in the world....no pressure


Extract
The key points set out in our Report are as follows:
• Working Alternative Arrangements should be fully up and running within three years, with the ability to implement some measures considerably sooner.
• Alternative Arrangements are available through harnessing existing technologies and customs best practice already in use around the world.
• New technology has a role to support policy, but any technology suggested for deployment in the first instance is already in use elsewhere.
• A one size fits all solution should be avoided; instead people and traders should be given the maximum possible choice of options.
• Enhanced Economic Zones, benefiting from relevant WTO exemptions, such as frontier traffic and national security, offer potentially valuable solutions which respect the realities of border and cross-border communities.
• A multi-tier trusted trader programme for large and medium sized companies should be introduced, with exemptions for the smallest companies.
• The use of transit in the general trading case to ensure no checks at the border.
• Building on the Single Epidemiological Unit, which currently exists on the Island of Ireland, we suggest a common Sanitary and Phyto-Sanitary (SPS) zone for the UK and the Island of Ireland. If the UK decided to diverge materially in SPS rules, it would be up to the Northern Irish executive and the Northern Ireland Assembly, after consultation with the Northern-South Ministerial Council and the British-Irish Council, whether to align with the Irish and EU regime or the rest of the UK.
• In the event no common regulatory areas can be achieved, transit for the general case would include Sanitary and Phyto-Sanitary (SPS) checks to be carried out by mobile units away from the border, building on the direction of
travel of EU regulation in this area, but seeking necessary derogations from the EU.
• A transitional adjustment fund paid for by the UK, to assist with the implementation of Alternative Arrangements on both sides of the Irish border for small businesses.
• A capacity building fund paid for by the UK, to support customs development for UK and IE governments. • An independent arbitration panel and a specialist committee to advise on implementation.

How many ifs, but and maybes can you put in one report?
This is a letter to Santa and it will only be it the post
for Three years? :D :D :D :D

Think tanks ain't what they used to be when I was on them, you had to have some semblance of a logical process at work between your ears, not just be capable of fabricating
"Duck billed platitudes" to order as they do now
The actual document is well worth reading, and is a great pity that a think tank had not developed it in 2014... In advance of the referendum. The three years considered are or were expected to be in parallel with the transition phase of the Withdrawal Agreement.
 
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Isn’t it amazing that despite all the horror stories we have had our highest net migration of EU citizens for ages.
 

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Here you go folks!
Alternative arrangement for the Irish Border
Remember the TV advert where it's the battle of the little big Horn and Custer's mobile rings?
"It's reinforcements!" he cries and the Indians turn away
"And they'll be here Wednesday!"
The Indians attack

To save time this caveat blows the whole thing out of the water
"The key points set out in our Report are as follows:
• Working Alternative Arrangements should be fully up and running within three years, with the ability to implement some measures considerably sooner.

Fortunately we have all the time in the world....no pressure


Extract
The key points set out in our Report are as follows:
• Working Alternative Arrangements should be fully up and running within three years, with the ability to implement some measures considerably sooner.
• Alternative Arrangements are available through harnessing existing technologies and customs best practice already in use around the world.
• New technology has a role to support policy, but any technology suggested for deployment in the first instance is already in use elsewhere.
• A one size fits all solution should be avoided; instead people and traders should be given the maximum possible choice of options.
• Enhanced Economic Zones, benefiting from relevant WTO exemptions, such as frontier traffic and national security, offer potentially valuable solutions which respect the realities of border and cross-border communities.
• A multi-tier trusted trader programme for large and medium sized companies should be introduced, with exemptions for the smallest companies.
• The use of transit in the general trading case to ensure no checks at the border.
• Building on the Single Epidemiological Unit, which currently exists on the Island of Ireland, we suggest a common Sanitary and Phyto-Sanitary (SPS) zone for the UK and the Island of Ireland. If the UK decided to diverge materially in SPS rules, it would be up to the Northern Irish executive and the Northern Ireland Assembly, after consultation with the Northern-South Ministerial Council and the British-Irish Council, whether to align with the Irish and EU regime or the rest of the UK.
• In the event no common regulatory areas can be achieved, transit for the general case would include Sanitary and Phyto-Sanitary (SPS) checks to be carried out by mobile units away from the border, building on the direction of
travel of EU regulation in this area, but seeking necessary derogations from the EU.
• A transitional adjustment fund paid for by the UK, to assist with the implementation of Alternative Arrangements on both sides of the Irish border for small businesses.
• A capacity building fund paid for by the UK, to support customs development for UK and IE governments. • An independent arbitration panel and a specialist committee to advise on implementation.

How many ifs, but and maybes can you put in one report?
This is a letter to Santa and it will only be it the post
for Three years? :D :D :D :D

Think tanks ain't what they used to be when I was on them, you had to have some semblance of a logical process at work between your ears, not just be capable of fabricating
"Duck billed platitudes" to order as they do now

Think tanks ain't what they used to be when I was on them,




A toilet isn’t a think tank G. I know we spend a lot of time on them and have thoughts but they are not think tanks.

They are more like stink tanks.

You should know. It was your business. Ffs.
 
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oldgroaner

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Think tanks ain't what they used to be when I was on them,




A toilet isn’t a think tank G. I know we spend a lot of time on them and have thoughts but they are not think tanks.

They are more like stink tanks.

You should know. It was your business. Ffs.
You most certainly wouldn't belong with the Brexit goggles you wear!
 
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oldgroaner

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The actual document is well worth reading, and is a great pity that a think tank had not developed it in 2014... In advance of the referendum. The three years considered are or were expected to be in parallel with the transition phase of the Withdrawal Agreement.
Precisely!
 
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Isn’t it amazing that despite all the horror stories we have had our highest net migration of EU citizens for ages.
According to the Office for National Statistics, the number of "EU citizens" arriving in the UK has continued to decline since 2016. In the year ending March 2019, EU immigration was estimated to be 200,000.
This is the lowest since year ending June 2013 when it was 183,000.
 
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Danidl

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According to the Office for National Statistics, the number of "EU citizens" arriving in the UK has continued to decline since 2016. In the year ending March 2019, EU immigration was estimated to be 200,000.
This is the lowest since year ending June 2013 when it was 183,000.
Now Fingers, you need to refute this with data, or apologize. You brought up the topic,out of the blue, so either you have facts you wish to impart or you are a troll.
 
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Now Fingers, you need to refute this with data, or apologize. You brought up the topic,out of the blue, so either you have facts you wish to impart or you are a troll.

Pipe down king of the blarney.

I was referring to a piece on the ten o clock news last night.
 
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According to the Office for National Statistics, the number of "EU citizens" arriving in the UK has continued to decline since 2016. In the year ending March 2019, EU immigration was estimated to be 200,000.
This is the lowest since year ending June 2013 when it was 183,000.
Isn't that the point though - they just revised those figures - up - hence Finger's post.
 

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Looks like I am going to be right.

God I love being right.

Boris is going to get some sort of movement from the EU (already has far as I can see) - it'll be a Brexit of some sort (a classic Boris bodge) - then we'll have an election - which the conservatives will win handsomely - and then we can all live happily ever after.

Have a nice day.
 
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oldgroaner

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Looks like I am going to be right.

God I love being right.

Boris is going to get some sort of movement from the EU (already has far as I can see) - it'll be a Brexit of some sort (a classic Boris bodge) - then we'll have an election - which the conservatives will win handsomely - and then we can all live happily ever after.

Have a nice day.
and
For a few weeks till the trouble starts when the realisation sets in its Brino not Brexit
 
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I was referring to a piece on the ten o clock news last night.
Although their subject was EU migration, that mention was concerned with the non-EU factor:

"Estimated non-EU net migration, meanwhile, is 261,000 a year—the highest level recorded since 2004. It has been almost consistently higher than EU migration for decades. "

End of quote.
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That response is inadequate. You explicitly included the qualification EU. This was puzzling those of us who think about such matters, because it contradicted our experience. An apology is still in order, ..

Sorry
 

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