Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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Glad to see you have finally accepted the result.

Even idiots will face reality in the end.
The idiot I had in mind was you, you really can't see what is coming can you?
You are falling asleep on a railway line with a train coming.
No Deal Brexit is my second choice after cancellation.
It will cure you of this fetish you have over Brexit.
 
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If the Valero refinery in Pembrokeshire does suffer, and eventually close, there will be some effects that are not immediately obvious. Such as loss of fuel supply to (from memory) East Midlands airport - for which there is currently a dedicated pipeline.

I am sure there are similar issues for many of the other larger airports in the UK.
 
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And the Telegraph goes "Full Trump"
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Brexit latest news: Thirty days to ditch the backstop as Angela Merkel holds out prospect of new deal
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

(Mrs Mays Brino gift wrapped) realistically the only possible deal even without the backstop.
But the usual idiots will fall for it, they always do.
 
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The Express promotes a suicide pact
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Brexit bombshell: UK set to announce huge Asian trade deal despite 'Project Fear' ploy
THE UK will allegedly sign a bombshell post-Brexit trade deal with the Republic of Korea according to reports.
I know what they can sell us.
South Korea's main exports include electronic products, machinery, motor vehicles (particularly automobiles), steel, ships, and textiles and clothing. With no petroleum reserves, South Korea must import substantial amounts of crude oil.
And we can sell them what exactly?

South Korea imports mainly petroleum, petroleum products, related materials (16 percent of total imports), electrical machinery, apparatus, appliances and electrical parts thereof (13 percent) and food, live animals (5 percent) and natural gas (5 percent).

See any gaps to exploit there?
Got any crude oil or natural gas we can spare?
Indeed anything that they can't get cheaper locally?
This is a "Dumpers Charter" from their point of view.

No doubt the first of many,as these are the only FTA's we can get on short notice.
 

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And the Telegraph goes "Full Trump"
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Brexit latest news: Thirty days to ditch the backstop as Angela Merkel holds out prospect of new deal
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

(Mrs Mays Brino gift wrapped) realistically the only possible deal even without the backstop.
But the usual idiots will fall for it, they always do.
Far, far too kind to BJ, but it brings to mind: But we only have fourteen hours to save the Earth!
 
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The Express promotes a suicide pact
"
Brexit bombshell: UK set to announce huge Asian trade deal despite 'Project Fear' ploy
THE UK will allegedly sign a bombshell post-Brexit trade deal with the Republic of Korea according to reports.
I know what they can sell us.
South Korea's main exports include electronic products, machinery, motor vehicles (particularly automobiles), steel, ships, and textiles and clothing. With no petroleum reserves, South Korea must import substantial amounts of crude oil.
And we can sell them what exactly?

South Korea imports mainly petroleum, petroleum products, related materials (16 percent of total imports), electrical machinery, apparatus, appliances and electrical parts thereof (13 percent) and food, live animals (5 percent) and natural gas (5 percent).

See any gaps to exploit there?
Got any crude oil or natural gas we can spare?
Indeed anything that they can't get cheaper locally?
This is a "Dumpers Charter" from their point of view.

No doubt the first of many,as these are the only FTA's we can get on short notice.
We (in Wales) might have a few sheep going spare...

And we can re-export Russian petroleum products that we import at zero tariff...
 

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We (in Wales) might have a few sheep going spare...

And we can re-export Russian petroleum products that we import at zero tariff...
Perhaps they would also like our Irish cheddar cheese and prime beef,which we would be happy to ship across the non existent customs tarriff paths into Scotland via Newry ,sell to UK businesses for onward movement to Korea.
 

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The Express promotes a suicide pact
"
Brexit bombshell: UK set to announce huge Asian trade deal despite 'Project Fear' ploy
THE UK will allegedly sign a bombshell post-Brexit trade deal with the Republic of Korea according to reports.
I know what they can sell us.
South Korea's main exports include electronic products, machinery, motor vehicles (particularly automobiles), steel, ships, and textiles and clothing. With no petroleum reserves, South Korea must import substantial amounts of crude oil.
And we can sell them what exactly?

South Korea imports mainly petroleum, petroleum products, related materials (16 percent of total imports), electrical machinery, apparatus, appliances and electrical parts thereof (13 percent) and food, live animals (5 percent) and natural gas (5 percent).

See any gaps to exploit there?
Got any crude oil or natural gas we can spare?
Indeed anything that they can't get cheaper locally?
This is a "Dumpers Charter" from their point of view.

No doubt the first of many,as these are the only FTA's we can get on short notice.
It ok, we won’t be buying much off them because post hard Brexit, everyone will be shitmunching on zero hours contracts, earning minimum wage. There will be no money to buy big tellies.
 

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I often get involved in arranging the repair of servers. Although I don't actually touch them, I do talk to the warranty people and discuss how they are going to be repaired.

Most often, the parts are available within the UK (otherwise they could not manage so many same-day repairs). But every so often, we see some parts having to delivered, typically from Holland, either by van or sometimes flown.

If brexit causes delays, the impact on smaller companies, the ones who rely on individual servers rather than having the luxury of multiple machines including spares, could be considerable. Instead of losing their systems for a few hours, who knows how long it could take?
Interesting that. This is where the JIT economy hits the buffers. Much of Ireland's domestic products services depots would be in Slough etc, and if the new Hoover Washing machine failed, the parts would be dispatched over night. In the old days that was also true for industrial machine tools ..lathes etc, made in Manchester etc, but ,since these are now German.....
 

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And the Telegraph goes "Full Trump"
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Brexit latest news: Thirty days to ditch the backstop as Angela Merkel holds out prospect of new deal
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

(Mrs Mays Brino gift wrapped) realistically the only possible deal even without the backstop.
But the usual idiots will fall for it, they always do.
It will be the same turd, but this time rolled in glitter. They’ll buy it because the glitter shines.
 

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HS2 Cost now estimated to be in excess of one hundred thousand million pounds. Can these spazers even take a shite without seriously injuring themselves?

There are no words and there is no hope.
 
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HS2 Cost now estimated to be in excess of one hundred thousand million pounds. Can these spazers even take a shite without seriously injuring themselves?

There are no words and there is no hope.
We all know if it goes ahead it will hit 200 billion.
 

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Ahhh. The world war 3 argument rears its head again.

We are leaving a trading bloc that has morphed into something more sinister. People voted to leave it.

We were told we can leave it but only if the EU can still control who we deal with and how. It also tells us how we can control our own borders and how citizens in this country have different rights to other citizens in our own country and they will govern them. It also tells us we have to pay an exorbitant fine to leave that offers zero residual benefit to the people paying it. It offers no sign of a trade deal.

As Hannan said today it's the equivalent of the EU saying to Canada you can have a deal with us but you cannot trade with the US or China unless it's our deal. And you have to have a border with Ottawa.

It's ludicrous and rightly we are saying no. No sovereign nation bar the likes of Ireland or Greece would agree to it.

Yes we can blame the incompetence of Mays tenure but the avarice of the EU is the constant here.

It's the EU that wants no deal to deter other nations leaving. Remainers pretend they are some friendly paternal and benign influence only interested in building dams, tunnels and visitor centres yet conveniently forget that in its arch capitalist ambition it leaves vast swathes of communities without jobs as it creates low laid jobs for private companies who pay little or no tax.
Which part of the EU would prefer that the UK remained a fully functioning member is hard to understand?
Which part of the EU wanting the UK to leave on as favourable terms as possible and remaining as close as possible to the EU is hard to understand?
The UK has been legally free to leave since March 29th. ,But choose not to, because its Parliament revolted from a draft agreement crafted WITH the UK executive. They can leave tomorrow, (Actually they cannot because they signed a new contract valid till October).
The EU wants a deal.
The EU wants an assurance that whatever deal is struck,does not .
1. Impinge on the EXISTING rights of NI people, whether Protestant or Catholic to be free to retain their Irish citizenship,and hence EU citizenship..A right the UK agreed in the GFA.
2. That a formal hard border will not be placed ON the island of Ireland,which will flustrate that existing right.
3 . If the UK wants unfettered access to EU markets, it needs to agree other terms and conditions ..but that is another set of negotiations.
4. Unless the EU gets the type of assurances for 1and 2 , there is no transition period,there is no Withdrawal Agreement. and we go direct to step 3 , without interim access.

No I don't have your reference to Hannan but S.Bannons take is that unless the UK surrenders its foreign policy to US interests, there would be no US Trade deal..or have I misquoted him?.
 
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oldgroaner

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You lot are going to have to calm down. You're getting so over excited you're going to spoil your brexit day.

If you last that long.
Spoil my Brexit Day?
I shall watch with interest the the hugely successful and smooth transition, won't you? :cool:

Poor fingers, you haven't got the remotest notion of what is happening in the real world so resort to posting tripe .
But then we've had a lot of that on here, it pretty much sums up the leave supporters dilemna.
Nothing whatever to indicate that they are not as clueless after three years than they were on day one.
Imagine being naive enough to not merely trust Boris and his wind up imitation "Expert" Cummings, but to believe that this government (of all the billions on the planet) is capable of
A; Successfully handling Brexit
B; Successfully handling our future
C: Making this the best country in the world to live in.

Surely not a single soul in the country can believe that?
 
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From the Daily Mirror
Emmanuel Macron punctures hopes of a 30-day Brexit deal in frosty talks with PM
France's President warned the Irish backstop is "indispensable" and any deal will not be "very different" as he met Boris Johnson in Paris
 
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