Brexit, for once some facts.

OxygenJames

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Who invented the term "honour the result of the referendum"?

Utter bilge. If anything, it should be the voters who are honoured. My choice of doing so would be to ensure that the issue is referred back to the electorate. Of course, whether as a GE or a referendum is a matter for discussion.

So BJ intends, even without a majority, to force through leaving? How and with what consequences? Not honouring the HoC is absolutely diabolical. I'd expect to see the supreme court unable to avoid getting involved.
For those with a short memory:

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OxygenJames

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The reason Fingers and co post nonsense is that they have no pragmatic reason they can offer that Brexit is a good idea. and every time they post it becomes more and more obvious.
In theory the Referendum was a simple Yes/No on leaving or remaining in the EU
The remain side listed the very things the leave side are now saying have to be endured in the cause of Brexit.
The leave side now assures themselves and those that voted Brexit, that all promises that they made to gain support from voters, had no impact on the support of the voters who ,despite not knowing it at the time, really wanted a "No Deal Brexit" and to suffer in a good cause.

Here to remind all on both sides, what the inducements offered at Huge expense in psy ops warfare actually were, it is a list of the 19 promises made and broken to buy support , and the names of those who made them.
After Brexit, remember this list, those who made the promises and demand that it be honoured :cool:

https://infacts.org/cut-keep-list-top-19-brexiteer-promises/

In full.... otherwise you have been nothing short of mugged., and your future shunted off into a dead end to protect the assets of the rich till sanity returns and we rejoin the EU.
Dear oh dear. Oh dear. (((((you)))) [that's an internet hug - I think you need one]
 

oyster

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For those with a short memory:

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Which, like so much to do with brexit, has proved (at least, so far) an impossible promise.

Sort-of, like Cameron saying he'd stay...

Reminds me of the story, however true, false or mis-reported, of the US state defining pi as exactly 3. No matter the impossibility of making wheels with circumferences conforming to that.
 
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For those with a short memory:
doing brexit on WTO means the rich will get richer, the poor poorer, not exactly the impression given before the referendum.
Bojo has now abandoned immigration target which I am not against but reducing immigration was one of the promises, cheaper food was another one, repeated not so long ago. The foods that will be cheaper will those lovely langoustines and lobsters fished from Scotland, 95% sold to French and Spaniards.
 

oyster

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doing brexit on WTO means the rich will get richer, the poor poorer, not exactly the impression given before the referendum.
Bojo has now abandoned immigration target which I am not against but reducing immigration was one of the promises, cheaper food was another one, repeated not so long ago. The foods that will be cheaper will those lovely langoustines and lobsters fished from Scotland, 95% sold to French and Spaniards.
BJ should think of Marat:

We've got nothing always had nothing
Nothing but holes and millions of them
Living in holes
Dying in holes
Holes in our bellies and
Holes in our clothes

Marat we're poor
And the poor stay poor
Marat don't make us wait any more
We want our rights and we don't care how
We want a revolution
Now

(Not intended to suggest too much similarity between Marat and BJ, but the poor will still be wanting however long BJ manages to remain so-called PM.)
 
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oldgroaner

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Suffer baby suffer!!!!!

Darn this is turning out better than I had hoped for even in my wildest dreams.
Sorry to spoil your wet dream, but I'm looking forward to Boris being so incompetent that he either comes back with the same old deal gift wrapped or blunders into "No Deal"

The only winners from either will be as follows
In the short term
Putin
Trump
In the long term
Remainers the public reaction will be so bad,we will end up begging to rejoin the EU.

Which one of those choices was in your wildest dream? :cool:
 
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oldgroaner

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Sweet music:

"MPS are too late to prevent a no-deal Brexit, Boris Johnson’s most senior aide has said. Dominic Cummings told ministers and officials that the Prime Minister will honour his October 31 pledge even if Jeremy Corbyn and pro-Remain Conservatives succeed in forcing a general election.

In a series of explosive briefings last week, Mr Cummings suggested that the Labour leader had missed his opportunity to secure an election before the UK’s intended departure date from the EU.

If Mr Johnson loses a no-confidence vote when the Commons returns in September, potentially leading to a general election, the Prime Minister would have the power to schedule the poll for after Hallowe’en, Mr Cummings disclosed.

He also claimed that an election would lead to a Conservative majority."

Ha.

Brilliant.

Finally - they're going to do what they said they would do. Which is honour the result of the referendum. Finally. Some people with integrity.

From the Telegraph btw.

OK - back to your opposite opinions and rants.
How can you honour something that was a form of Burglary?
The referendum was illegally procured, and void, only the fact that the present rogues in power were part of the plot allowed it to stand.
 
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oldgroaner

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Enemies of the public calling us vermin?


Oh Dear, how dare they compare us to themselves?
We don't work for enemies of the state, they not only do, but are paid to do so with money that has it's origin carefully concealed.
 
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Fingers

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Reading this nonsense makes me regress.

This has to be pound for pound one of the thickest threads about Brexit knocking about.

James posts facts gets his posts copied or insulted. It's painful to think of some of you existing in the real world.
 

oldgroaner

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Reading this nonsense makes me regress.

This has to be pound for pound one of the thickest threads about Brexit knocking about.

James posts facts gets his posts copied or insulted. It's painful to think of some of you existing in the real world.
Come on Fingers, even for you that post was pathetic
Odd that criticism equates with insult in your view, and it is informative that you find it painful to think.
perhaps the thread would improve if you had something positive in support of Brexit to post?
And not try to score points because I used the word "Whatever" after James responded with it?
So let's have the truth out of you, what is Brexit going to give you personally?
 
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So let's have the truth out of you, what is Brexit going to give you personally?
interesting question.
it's more national pride than anything material.
although I understand to a certain extend that you have to pool some national sovereignty to establish the rules of the club, I can't stop feeling that the EU bureaucrats demand too much of each member country.
 

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although I understand to a certain extend that you have to pool some national sovereignty to establish the rules of the club, I can't stop feeling that the EU bureaucrats demand too much of each member country.
That's because it's not a club but a serious attempt to become a single European country, one that almost all the other 27 agree with and all have signed up to.
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Fingers

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That's because it's not a club but a serious attempt to become a single European country, one that almost all the other 27 agree with and all have signed up to.
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Their politicians have. Whenever there has been a referendum the people have said no.
 
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oldgroaner

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interesting question.
it's more national pride than anything material.
although I understand to a certain extend that you have to pool some national sovereignty to establish the rules of the club, I can't stop feeling that the EU bureaucrats demand too much of each member country.
Not enough in my estimation!
 
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oldgroaner

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Their politicians have. Whenever there has been a referendum the people have said no.
Including the percentage of votes illegally induced of course, and that is far too small a margin, for a referendum to have a mandate normally requires a 2:1 majority for fundamental decisions.
It was at best a marginal illegally flawed decision.
 
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oldgroaner

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Their politicians have. Whenever there has been a referendum the people have said no.
Really?
  • Malta — 2003 Maltese European Union membership referendum, 8 March 2003, 53.6% in favour, turnout 90.9%
  • Slovenia — 2003 Slovenian European Union and NATO membership referendum, 23 March 2003, 89.6% in favour, turnout 60.2%
And this is the reality about UK enthusiasm for Brexit


An entirely manufactured situation, with no deep roots at all, a huge confidence trick.
 
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