Brexit, for once some facts.

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The Brexiteers must be comforted by the diversion from our situation Trump is providing, he's better for their cause than another Royal whelp.
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Trump supporters roar 'Send her back, Send her back' after US president slams far-left 'squad' member Ilhan Omar at a campaign rally - after suggesting she is 'married to her brother'

Some where a dementia home is missing this patient.
Afraid I disagree. That would be a reason, an excuse. There is no excuse and the only reason is that he is entirely self-centred and unable and unwilling to behave in an acceptable manner because he perceives advantages in what he does. Inasmuch as he is capable of perception.

BTW - did he tell QEII that her husband should be sent home to Greece? Or that Meghan should be sent home? Oops, that would be to the USA...
 
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It really is witchcraft.

I could explain to you black and white TV. And how it works. I could come close to explaining phase alternate lines in regard to colour TV. I'd struggle but get though after six large ones and you'd believe me.

But digital....nah. my crust understands it but to explain it to a layman...I lack the patience or wherewithal

And anyway by then we'd be talking about other **** . Christ mate we'd be arguing to the sun rises and about that too I'm sure.

But in a good way.

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That reminds me.
I designed a TV tuner for the BBC Model B years ago, around 1984 I think.
At that time, my friend who taught math at Paris VI university tried his best to sell me his compression code which he claimed set new record in compression ratio but I could not see that the future of TV is digital.
These technologies are now obsolete but still useful to show students how things were made, it's like the slide ruler, I suppose.
 
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Trouble is Fingers when it lost impartiality it stopped simply being a broadcaster. Yes, parts are fantastic, but both its lack of impartiality and blatant self promotion signal its attempts to be something it shouldnt be.
The Saville debacle, much of its programming, its bias, its ridiculous wage structure are all far fron healthy. The license is not a license at all. Its a BBC tax.
I like the way the claim not to advertise yet come on and promote the next "star", record, programme or series. They advertise themselves continually and much of their output is bordering on brain washing. Count how many times that idiot Steve Wright chants "Disc jokin without a G". Its mindless sh! te but its hooked millions.
Yes, we dont have to listen. I try not to. Still have to pay for privilige of choosing not to.
All of which was caused by Margaret Thatcher and her obsession with privatising everything and wanting the BBC to follow a commercial model. She appointed her stooge Marmaduke Hussey as BBC chairman to do her dirty work.

Previously BBC chairmen from Lord Reith all the way to David Attenborough and beyond only had quality in mind, but Hussey changed all that. The BBC's broadcast engineering department was probably the world's finest at the time with many firsts to it name, such as taping video long before VHS, the creation of vastly better loudspeaker monitors by Spencer Hughes and Dr Dudley Harwood, and NICAM stereo. But Hussey broke the department up, many of their best engineers were made redundant, Hussey seeing them as an unnecessary cost.

And it was Hussey's commercialisation that led to the constant advertising of their own products and making programs designed to sell to commercial TV. Hvae you ever wondered why their wildlife programs run for about 50 minutes and then have ten minutes of "How we made this" titled as Diaries and the like, showing repeated passages of what's already been seen? As Fingers has also said, that ten minutes is to suit the commercial TV companies they sell the programs to, who scrap the extra ten minutes to show ads instead.

So the BBC remains the victim of the politically motivated changes that you dislike so much, blame the Tories, not the victim.
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Claiming BBC to be impartial is actually quite silly. It is impossible for any institution of its size to be so. There are thousands of examples where BBC goes beyond simple reporting. Once indivuduals are involved in forwarding any kind of message slants one way are another are inevitable.
The reporting around Gazza incidents a couple of years ago showed beyond doubt the institution is willing to take sides in political conflicts. Ask any Jew.
Yes, perhaps the BBC does not favour any political party over any other, mind Cameron received triple the exposure over Miliband in their contest, there is without doubt a cultural leaning towards, as poster quoted, liberal left at the moment.
Yes, conflicting, but rare is the day where the news is simply "reported".
It surprises me that somebody with Fingers background cant see the bias. Wood for trees? Those that dont want to see? Or perhaps employees devotion.
I remember watching myself on a distorted BBC report about "violent" miners/protesters being arrested during mining strike. During those dark days BBC were anything but impartial. BBC and the Police were a tool for government of day. That will take generations to be forgotten.
 
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I am astonished by the take up of e-bikes. I’m in Austria now and they are everywhere and of every type, mountain bikes, utility bikes and even a few road bikes. All age groups are riding them too, and I don’t think they are tourists. In the town I’m currently in, ebike numbers totally dominate their unpowered counterparts.

It’s such a shame that ebikes are only for invalids and cheats in the U.K. and therefore are a complete waste of time. We in the U.K. are far too macho to take take to an ebike. Better to grind it out up those hills, collapse in a sweaty heap, and then throw the bike in the shed never to be ridden again after such a miserable experience. It’s the way forward in the U.K.
Perhaps the most dramatic contrast in annual sales of pedelecs is with the Netherlands where annual pedelecs sales are one per 56 of the entire population of any age.

Here in the UK it's one per 1320 in the best recent years.
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All of which was caused by Margaret Thatcher and her obsession with privatising everything and wanting the BBC to follow a commercial model. She appointed her stooge Marmaduke Hussey as BBC chairman to do her dirty work.

Previously BBC chairmen from Lord Reith all the way to David Attenborough and beyond only had quality in mind, but Hussey changed all that. The BBC's broadcast engineering department was probably the world's finest at the time with many firsts to it name, such as taping video long before VHS, the creation of vastly better loudspeaker monitors by Spencer Hughes and Dr Dudley Harwood, and NICAM stereo. But Hussey broke the department up, many of their best engineers were made redundant, Hussey seeing them as an unnecessary cost.

And it was Hussey's commercialisation that led to the constant advertising of their own products and making programs designed to sell to commercial TV. Hvae you ever wondered why their wildlife programs run for about 50 minutes and then have ten minutes of "How we made this" titled as Diaries and the like, showing repeated passages of what's already been seen? As Fingers has also said, that ten minutes is to suit the commercial TV companies they sell the programs to, who scrap the extra ten minutes to show ads instead.

So the BBC remains the victim of the politically motivated changes that you dislike so much, blame the Tories, not the victim.
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You are agreeing with me but offering an explanation. I, ve not tried to say who is to blame, perhaps it was Thatcher. She used BBC to win miners strike, start a war and win a GE she should should have lost, so why you hit the dislike key I have no idea. Well, I have but pointless saying it.
 

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why you hit the dislike key I have no idea. Well, I have but pointless saying it.
My "Dislike" was for your claim that they are not impartial, not for whatever you imagine.

One needs to be impartial to recognise impartiality, and where the BBC is concerned you are very far from impartial in your judgment.

I'll happily agree with you that there are times when the Beebs impartiality has slipped, such as over Iraq in 1948 and Orgreave in the 1980s, but these days they try very hard for balance and in my view achieve it most of the time, given the realities they face.
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A little bit more of the insidious privatisation and reduction of care of the health service. Like many for some while I've booked prescriptions and GP appointments online, this service being delivered by a private company, EMIS Health, on behalf of many GPs.

Now they've added the following:

As you will be aware, Patient Access enables you to access certain GP services online, including booking appointments and ordering repeat prescriptions.

We have now extended the appointment booking feature of Patient Access into pharmacies.

Certain services which patients would typically book with their GP practice, such as treatment for sore throat or hay fever, can also be delivered via pharmacies. Other services, such as hair loss treatment and antimalarial medicines, are not available to most, or to any patients on the NHS.

By enabling users to book appointments in pharmacies (as well as their GP practice) within Patient Access, you are able to access a greater choice of appointments. This also helps to alleviate pressure on GP practices.

Pharmacies are private businesses of course.
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Claiming BBC to be impartial is actually quite silly. It is impossible for any institution of its size to be so. There are thousands of examples where BBC goes beyond simple reporting. Once indivuduals are involved in forwarding any kind of message slants one way are another are inevitable.
The reporting around Gazza incidents a couple of years ago showed beyond doubt the institution is willing to take sides in political conflicts. Ask any Jew.
Yes, perhaps the BBC does not favour any political party over any other, mind Cameron received triple the exposure over Miliband in their contest, there is without doubt a cultural leaning towards, as poster quoted, liberal left at the moment.
Yes, conflicting, but rare is the day where the news is simply "reported".
It surprises me that somebody with Fingers background cant see the bias. Wood for trees? Those that dont want to see? Or perhaps employees devotion.
I remember watching myself on a distorted BBC report about "violent" miners/protesters being arrested during mining strike. During those dark days BBC were anything but impartial. BBC and the Police were a tool for government of day. That will take generations to be forgotten.

Of course there have been grave errors of judgement. I'm maybe a bit young to pass comment in the miners coverage but I can assure you nowadays it's, if anything too balanced. Sometimes you need someone to call out something that is wrong. Universal credit comes to mind. There are only so many stories you can do about food banks forced prostituting and corruption before you make a judgement.
 

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Of course there have been grave errors of judgement. I'm maybe a bit young to pass comment in the miners coverage but I can assure you nowadays it's, if anything too balanced. Sometimes you need someone to call out something that is wrong. Universal credit comes to mind. There are only so many stories you can do about food banks forced prostituting and corruption before you make a judgement.
Yes.. I think I can concur with Fingers on this one. And he will indicate that there are beancounters with stopwatches ensuring that both sides get equal time...Even when the level of intellectual argument is utterly convincing on one side and banal on the other. It makes for infuriating television.
 

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Afraid I disagree. That would be a reason, an excuse. There is no excuse and the only reason is that he is entirely self-centred and unable and unwilling to behave in an acceptable manner because he perceives advantages in what he does. Inasmuch as he is capable of perception.

BTW - did he tell QEII that her husband should be sent home to Greece? Or that Meghan should be sent home? Oops, that would be to the USA...
What actually are you disagreeing with?
This was my statement

The Brexiteers must be comforted by the diversion from our situation Trump is providing, he's better for their cause than another Royal whelp.
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And of course the element of the public in this country that has racist tendencies will draw inspiration for that man, and how popular among similarly inclined morons in the states.
 
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I’m sorry. I don’t understand what you are saying.

Farage is the creator, founder, inventor, face of, soul of the Brexit Party. It’s his, he made it, and it would be mental to then step away from it and put a total unknown in charge.

It’s the same if you created a new toilet, a real turd destroyer that could handle anything using only a teaspoon full of water. Would you then have an election in the design office to see who was going to lead on the development of it? Give Gerald, Kevin or Alan a fair chance to take the credit?

Madame Fufenspunkentrumper didn’t invent the EU, it’s not hers, so it’s only right that she is elected. Elected from a base of one. Hmmmm
Rather more to it than that
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/8/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

After the elections, one of the first tasks of an incoming Parliament is to elect a new President of the European Commission (the EU’s executive body). Member states nominate a candidate for the post, but in doing so they must take account of the European election results. Moreover, Parliament needs to approve the new Commission President by an absolute majority (half of the existing MEPs plus one). If the candidate doesn’t obtain the required majority, the member states need to propose another candidate within a month's time (European Council acting by qualified majority). For the 2014 elections, Parliament introduced the system of lead candidates. Each European political party put forward a candidate for Commission president and the party which became the biggest in the elections could propose Parliament’s candidate for the nomination for the Commission leadership.

On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as their candidate for the office of President of the European Commission.[2][3] She was elected President by the European Parliament on 16 July, with an absolute majority of 383–327

Which means your assertion " Elected from a base of one."
Is nonsense doesn't it?

As to farage he has simply set up a company without a board of directors which invites donations from supporters.
Nothing is offered in return but vague promises he can't deliver.
At an appropriate moment should he choose to do so, he can close it down, pocket the money and disappear
And all above board and legal
As you say, what's not to like? the mugs get ripped off as they deserve

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Actually no one could accuse your input of being either, it is often insulting rather than amusing and never original.

Hmmmm. That's annoying. You definitely beat me at being insulting.

But I win on originality.

I will take the draw on the chin and be the better man.

That makes me win again. Yes! Another victory!
 

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interesting development:

Government lost vote to stop parliament suspension by 315/274
Quite a big margin.
 
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interesting development:

Government lost vote to stop parliament suspension by 315/274
Quite a big margin.
One small step for sanity. What I cannot understand is why any of the 274 would be prepared to vote themselves out of relevance ..if even for a month. If they are so hell bent on Brexiting ,the door is always open to do so..Even if it means stuffing the agenda or order paper with unimportant or un urgent prattle.
 
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Rather more to it than that
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/8/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

After the elections, one of the first tasks of an incoming Parliament is to elect a new President of the European Commission (the EU’s executive body). Member states nominate a candidate for the post, but in doing so they must take account of the European election results. Moreover, Parliament needs to approve the new Commission President by an absolute majority (half of the existing MEPs plus one). If the candidate doesn’t obtain the required majority, the member states need to propose another candidate within a month's time (European Council acting by qualified majority). For the 2014 elections, Parliament introduced the system of lead candidates. Each European political party put forward a candidate for Commission president and the party which became the biggest in the elections could propose Parliament’s candidate for the nomination for the Commission leadership.

On 2 July 2019, von der Leyen was proposed by the European Council as their candidate for the office of President of the European Commission.[2][3] She was elected President by the European Parliament on 16 July, with an absolute majority of 383–327

Which means your assertion " Elected from a base of one."
Is nonsense doesn't it?

As to farage he has simply set up a company without a board of directors which invites donations from supporters.
Nothing is offered in return but vague promises he can't deliver.
At an appropriate moment should he choose to do so, he can close it down, pocket the money and disappear
And all above board and legal
As you say, what's not to like? the mugs get ripped off as they deserve

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Q1)Have you invested any money in BXP?

A) No

Q2) Having invested no money in BXP, is the way BXP use its funds any of your business?

A) No

So why are you like Esther Rantzen on Cat Worming tablets? You are getting all steamed up about some imaginary rip-off, that hasn’t even happened, that may or may not happen, that you have absolutely no financial stake in and is none of your business. If people feel that they haven’t had value for their contribution to BXP, that’s their business not yours.

There are plenty of real financial scams, that unlike BXP, have actually happened. The state pension is a good one for you to get your teeth into if you are looking for a starting point.
 

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