Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

OxygenJames said:


from the Adam Smith boys:"The Guardian treats us to a complaint about Brexit. That if we go to free trade then that will mean screwing the British farmer. Good, that’s what we want to do, screw the British farmer. That’s one of the points of having Brexit:
Entirely shafting the British farmer isn’t a problem with Brexit, it’s the point."

Dangerous game for the Tories, and I don't think the Adam Smith Institute has done enough research into all the implications. Just looking at the food market isn't enough.

Some 30% of of our farmland is let to tenant farmers by the owners, who are investors. For example for miles around me in Surrey, most of the farmland is owned by Merton College, while vast tracts of other land is owned by the City of London Corporation.

The remaining 70% of owner occupier land includes many very large scale farmers in England who are actually businessmen just directing or merely overseeing operations.

The aristocracy and the Royal Family still play an important role in the ownership of our country. More than a third of land is still in the hands of aristocrats and traditional landed gentry. Indeed, the 36,000 members of the Country Landowners Association own about 50% of the rural land in England and Wales.

Collapsing UK farming could have a devastating effect on land prices, hardly delighting all those Tory owners and investors.
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[oldgroaner]

Thank you. I do my best to spread the love.

..............Thinly......................

 

[Danidl]

Dangerous game for the Tories, and I don't think the Adam Smith Institute has done enough research into all the implications. Just looking at the food market isn't enough.

Some 30% of of our farmland is let to tenant farmers by the owners, who are investors. For example for miles around me in Surrey, most of the farmland is owned by Merton College, while vast tracts of other land is owned by the City of London Corporation.

The remaining 70% of owner occupier land includes many very large scale farmers in England who are actually businessmen just directing or merely overseeing operations.

The aristocracy and the Royal Family still play an important role in the ownership of our country. More than a third of land is still in the hands of aristocrats and traditional landed gentry. Indeed, the 36,000 members of the Country Landowners Association own about 50% of the rural land in England and Wales.

Collapsing UK farming could have a devastating effect on land prices, hardly delighting all those Tory owners and investors.
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Careful now.. all this gives me a reason to welcome Brexit.

 

[flecc]

Careful now.. all this gives me a reason to welcome Brexit.

Well, the truth is first and foremost.
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[oldgroaner]

Or maybe the Guardian has an agender? Maybe people have grown away from the sickly sweet artificial 'soft ice cream' they sell at ridiculous prices? Or maybe Brexit really is responsible for killing off the paperboy, the milkman, the shoeshiner, tv repair man and chimney sweep.

Yeah it's brexit. Of course it's brexit.

When did brexit happen again?

With luck never, and look at the damage even the likelihood of it has caused
So let me correct your slogan
No it's not Brexit , it's just imagination at work through the threat of Brexit

 

[oldgroaner]

Bang goes the option to Prorogue Parliament
Victory. 294 to 293, majority of 1.

 

[oldgroaner]

Remember the advert where Colonel Custer is surrounded by indians and they stop the attack when his mobile phone rings and he cries "Its reinforcements!" and the indians groan and turn away?
This is rather like that
https://britishjournal.net/new-brexit-analysis-humiliates-remainers-as-uk-will-be-135bn-richer-with-no-deal/
"The latest report by the Economists for Free Trade have calculated that the opportunities from the UK going global under a “No Deal” Brexit may give the UK an extra £135 billion per year. This is not including money saved in EU membership fees."

It's all looking jolly splendid till you come to the moment where Colonel Custer says the words
"And they'll be here Wednesday" and the indians resume the attack

Haroo hurray , calloo callay! the plot crashes when you read down to the kiss of death.

"The group of experts, which includes Patrick Minford, Professor of Economics at Cardiff University and Roger Bootle, Chairman of Capital Economics, Europe’s largest macroeconomics consultancy, all suggest the UK will be much better off under a truly free Britain, outside the constraints of the EU.

Whatever.
I mean , I can take a joke, but really....................................Patrick Minford?????
He's to economics what Trump is to diplomacy
Catastrophic

 

[Nev]

Tommy Robinson begs Donald Trump to grant him political asylum in US

‘I beg Donald Trump, I beg the American government, to look at my case,’ says activist following contempt of court conviction

vfr400 has got it all in hand, the get away pedelec he is building for good old Tommy has the following modes
Eco, Sport, Turbo and Amphibious, so TR will be able to make his own way across the Atlantic (providing the battery doesn't run out lol).

 

[oyster]

Like very many people I no longer carry cash, so that factor alone is much more likely than Brexit to account for lost ice cream van sales. It's also seriously dented charity collections.
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I always carry cash so that I can buy an ice cream from a van. Trouble is, most of them sell disgusting fluffy stuff. Still hoping I'll find a fully dairy ice cream with nothing unexpected in it.

Some day my ice will come...

 

[Nev]

BMW unveils electric Mini, available early next year for about £24,400. I read in this weeks MCN they are working on an electric Boxer type motorcycle which looks amazing. By 2023 BMW are planning on bringing out 25 new electrified vehicles.

BMW unveils electric Mini as it charges into new era

New model will have list price of £24,400, with first deliveries expected in early 2020

www.theguardian.com

 

[oldgroaner]

vfr400 has got it all in hand, the get away pedelec he is building for good old Tommy has the following modes
Eco, Sport, Turbo and Amphibious, so TR will be able to make his own way across the Atlantic (providing the battery doesn't run out lol).

Here is the very thing

Complete with rear wheel hub drive and self feathering mini paddle blade attached to the spokes of the rear wheel.
Plenty of room in those floats for a big enough battery to reach the states!

 

[gray198]

Dangerous game for the Tories, and I don't think the Adam Smith Institute has done enough research into all the implications. Just looking at the food market isn't enough.

Some 30% of of our farmland is let to tenant farmers by the owners, who are investors. For example for miles around me in Surrey, most of the farmland is owned by Merton College, while vast tracts of other land is owned by the City of London Corporation.

The remaining 70% of owner occupier land includes many very large scale farmers in England who are actually businessmen just directing or merely overseeing operations.

The aristocracy and the Royal Family still play an important role in the ownership of our country. More than a third of land is still in the hands of aristocrats and traditional landed gentry. Indeed, the 36,000 members of the Country Landowners Association own about 50% of the rural land in England and Wales.

Collapsing UK farming could have a devastating effect on land prices, hardly delighting all those Tory owners and investors.
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it appears that many farmers get more for not producing crops . There are 2 large fields near me. Every year they are full of sweetcorn and every year it is left to rot. I don't know the reason for this but can only assume it is something to do with the CAP. I personally think it is disgusting that good food is allowed to go to waste when people around the world are starving.

 

[oyster]

Does anyone know any good company receiver and administrator companies looking for investment?

If brexit makes 30,000 farmers go to the wall, and if even some of the other predictions come true, receivers and administrators will become some of the most profitable companies in the country. Might as well see if I can get a share...

 

[gray198]

I always carry cash so that I can buy an ice cream from a van. Trouble is, most of them sell disgusting fluffy stuff. Still hoping I'll find a fully dairy ice cream with nothing unexpected in it.

Some day my ice will come...

I well remember the days of my childhood when a horse drawn cart brought ice cream to us. And delicious it was. None of this horrible fluffy stuff that looks like it has come out of an icing bag and has a taste like wallpaper paste

 

[oldgroaner]

I always carry cash so that I can buy an ice cream from a van. Trouble is, most of them sell disgusting fluffy stuff. Still hoping I'll find a fully dairy ice cream with nothing unexpected in it.

Some day my ice will come...

The strangest Ice cream I ever had was in Kyrenia, the guy used a metre long spoon to literally gouge the incredibly stiff and rubbery ice cream out of the metal container.
So help me it was as hard as chewing gum, and yet delicious too, taking several minutes to devour bit by bit, you had to Gnaw the lump away!
God know what they had used instead of gelatine, I remember at the time wondering if someone had invented edible polyester resin.

 

[oyster]

I well remember the days of my childhood when a horse drawn cart brought ice cream to us. And delicious it was. None of this horrible fluffy stuff that looks like it has come out of an icing bag and has a taste like wallpaper paste

We certainly have some nice ice cream in the county, but I am not aware of any vans that sell it. And I don't remember horse-drawn carts - though I do remember horse-drawn drays such as Vaux.

 

[oldgroaner]

it appears that many farmers get more for not producing crops . There are 2 large fields near me. Every year they are full of sweetcorn and every year it is left to rot. I don't know the reason for this but can only assume it is something to do with the CAP. I personally think it is disgusting that good food is allowed to go to waste when people around the world are starving.

Or perhaps this is the reason?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15918694.fruit-and-vegetables-left-to-rot-in-fields-after-fall-in-farm-workers-from-the-eu-after-brexit-vote/
Scotland, but no doubt true in England too

 

[Nev]

I assumed if there is a GE fairly soon that BJ would form some kind of pact with NF but after reading this, I don't think it is quite as straight forward as I thought.

To pact or not to pact? Why a deal with the Tories is a dilemma for Farage | Peter Kellner

Cooperation in a general election would benefit the Conservatives – but would Farage sacrifice his party for the cause?, asks former YouGov president Peter Kellner

www.theguardian.com

 

[oldgroaner]

We certainly have some nice ice cream in the county, but I am not aware of any vans that sell it. And I don't remember horse-drawn carts - though I do remember horse-drawn drays such as Vaux.

This is the one that used to trade on our estate , its now in the Streetlife Mueum
<a href="https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g186317-d1775038-i308805127-Streetlife_Museum_of_Transport-Kingston_upon_Hull_East_Riding_of_Yorkshi.html#308805127"><img alt="" src="https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/12/67/fe/07/an-old-ice-cream-van.jpg"/></a><br/>This photo of Streetlife Museum of Transport is courtesy of TripAdvisor

 

[oyster]

Or perhaps this is the reason?
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15918694.fruit-and-vegetables-left-to-rot-in-fields-after-fall-in-farm-workers-from-the-eu-after-brexit-vote/
Scotland, but no doubt true in England too

Or this (though I do appreciate the difference between Indiana and the UK):

Why leave dying corn in fields?

2013 was a wet and cool year overall except for August. Our average harvest moisture was 20% across the whole farm. If we let corn dry all the way to 15% (maybe pushing into December with 2013 weather) in the field we would likely lose more money in grain loss than what we’d pay for drying. I believe this is where the idea of dead corn comes into play. Fields full of browning plants sitting in fields for weeks as compared to green sweet corn. I want the corn to look dried up, but when the time is right, I want the corn out of the field as fast as we can harvest.


The plant is dying and drying right along with the kernels. Stalks become hard and brittle, and ears might start dropping on the ground. Once they hit the ground, my combine isn’t going to pick them up. The last thing I want to see coming at dry corn stalks is a strong windstorm. Wind is bad enough on green and growing corn so it won’t have much trouble knocking down dead corn. The ground also needs to be dry for harvest to limit the risk of soil compaction and for ease of operating equipment.


Now you will know the next time you see acres of green corn that has turned like fall leaves on trees that in the farmer’s eyes his corn is not dying but drying!

https://beefrunner.com/2014/01/09/ask-a-farmer-why-do-farmers-leave-dying-corn-in-fields/