Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

More than three feel - with some validity - that hard brexit is sepuku and would I think vote against the government. Theres a difference between contesting ones seat against corbyn and a dodge ring labour party and doing so after ones party has inflicted a nuclear version of black wednesday on constituents. I dont think farage could discredit boris, I'm not sure leave voters would understand what that means.

For example:
Tory Brexit rebel Wollaston ‘prepared to step down’ to help a Remain alliance
The MP for Totnes says politicians should urgently prepare for the likelihood of a ‘populist’ autumn election

And I have been wondering whether Ken Clarke will do something?

 

[oldgroaner]

Indeed, I've never bothered with the PSA test despite having BPH for 33 years now. My attitude from the beginning was to leave the prostate gland alone and not provoke trouble with a biopsy. It's worked for me for over three decades and still going strong. Aided by tamsulosin for some six years now the condition is actually considerably improving and looking increasingly like it's curing itself, at least partially.
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Very wise! I had a biopsy for prostate cancer in 2002 .they told me only one in 25,000 suffer adverse effects
Unfortunately I am one in million and within 48 hours was in intensive care with Sepsis it was touch and go and various treatments tried until one finally worked and I staggered home after 11 days.
Never again! the hormone implants and radiotherapy were a breeze compared with the biopsy which actually felt strange, a series of bangs as the bowel was penetrated with multiple needles, but not particularly painful at the time.
I believe from what I have heard that that barbaric approach is being replaced by scans.

 

[50Hertz]

Very wise! I had a biopsy for prostate cancer in 2002 .they told me only one in 25,000 suffer adverse effects
Unfortunately I am one in million and within 48 hours was in intensive care with Sepsis it was touch and go and various treatments tried until one finally worked and I staggered home after 11 days.
Never again! the hormone implants and radiotherapy were a breeze compared with the biopsy which actually felt strange, a series of bangs as the bowel was penetrated with multiple needles, but not particularly painful at the time.
I believe from what I have heard that that barbaric approach is being replaced by scans.

I’ve read that a more targeted approach to the biopsy is being developed. It’s a sort of MRI scan guided biopsy needle, so the suspected area is hit with greater accuracy.

 

[oldgroaner]

I’ve read that a more targeted approach to the biopsy is being developed. It’s a sort of MRI scan guided biopsy needle, so the suspected area is hit with greater accuracy.

Good luck with that! the patient replied, leaving out of a first storey window! laughing hysterically.....
You'll have to catch me first!
They do say a coward dies a hundred deaths , a hero only once..
This hero thing is grossly over rated

 

[oldgroaner]

Incredibly liz Truss brought up the subject of lazy British workers today on Twitter, this is an example of her earlier thoughts on the subject from 2012
Not a good idea to refer to your supporters in this fashion, no doubt she contemptuosely feels
they will assume they won't realise she means them personally?

Our problem is more accurately addressed by changing the word "workers"for a couple of alternatives.

Instead of blaming the workers,who no longer can be accused of abusing Union power,
Put the blame where it clearly lies with both Management and Politicians.
Why are they allowing this to happen on their watch?

For how can the workers be in a position to encourage risk taking and strive to emulate anything they are not at liberty to change?
Places responsibility firmly back upon the management of those workers

 

[oldgroaner]

I noticed hunt maundering on on the Marr show.
about being willing to damage businesses because there is no choice where the public directed the Government to leave the EU
The absudity of it is breathtaking

It was an Advisory referendum
It was a fraudulent result.
There is every reason to believe the majority of the public no longer want it

Ask the Voters again! if they still do, fair enough, but if the politicians imagine they are going to unite the country any other way, by imposing Brexit in any shape or form, they are even bigger idiots than they seem

 

[oldgroaner]

From of all places the Japan Times
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2019/06/25/commentary/world-commentary/u-k-s-giant-delusion-sovereign-control/#.XRkEhxN7lXQ

 

[Woosh]

I noticed hunt maundering on on the Marr show.
about being willing to damage businesses because there is no choice where the public directed the Government to leave the EU
The absudity of it is breathtaking

It was an Advisory referendum
It was a fraudulent result.
There is every reason to believe the majority of the public no longer want it

Ask the Voters again! if they still do, fair enough, but if the politicians imagine they are going to unite the country any other way, by imposing Brexit in any shape or form, they are even bigger idiots than they seem

I feel a bit sorry for him, just a little bit though.
He knows it's stupid to do brexit without a deal because the risk of capital flight and divestment from the 'independent' UK is very real but what can he offer to those who can vote for him against BJ's direct tax cuts?
It's funny that when John McDonnell wants to borrow to invest, it's not OK but when BJ and Farage suggest to borrow £200 billions to invest, it's OK. I shudder to think of the exchange rate when one of them actually borrow that amount.

 

[50Hertz]

Incredibly liz Truss brought up the subject of lazy British workers today on Twitter, this is an example of her earlier thoughts on the subject from 2012
Not a good idea to refer to your supporters in this fashion, no doubt she contemptuosely feels
they will assume they won't realise she means them personally?

Our problem is more accurately addressed by changing the word "workers"for a couple of alternatives.

Instead of blaming the workers,who no longer can be accused of abusing Union power,
Put the blame where it clearly lies with both Management and Politicians.
Why are they allowing this to happen on their watch?

For how can the workers be in a position to encourage risk taking and strive to emulate anything they are not at liberty to change?
Places responsibility firmly back upon the management of those workers

Yes, that should shunt a few more votes Farage’s way. Stunning home goal.

I’ve not worked in an organisation as an employee for many years, but in more recent times have supplied services to organisations, so have had regular contact with “workers “. The consistent theme has been that the workers are generally keen and eager to help / get stuck in, but are frustrated and demoralised by their management, who they have little respect for and regard as inept. That’s been a common feeling by “workers” across quite a few different organisations. There must be something it.

 

[oyster]

I noticed hunt maundering on on the Marr show.
about being willing to damage businesses because there is no choice where the public directed the Government to leave the EU
The absudity of it is breathtaking

It was an Advisory referendum
It was a fraudulent result.
There is every reason to believe the majority of the public no longer want it

Ask the Voters again! if they still do, fair enough, but if the politicians imagine they are going to unite the country any other way, by imposing Brexit in any shape or form, they are even bigger idiots than they seem

Just imagining the pronunciation problems JH would engender if he was known and referred to as living in Machynlleth. (Not that he does, of course.)

 

[oyster]

From of all places the Japan Times
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2019/06/25/commentary/world-commentary/u-k-s-giant-delusion-sovereign-control/#.XRkEhxN7lXQ

I quote - and how right this is:

In today’s deeply interdependent world, the whole idea embodied in such ringing metaphors as “taking control,” “making our own laws” and “getting our country back” is fundamentally, intellectually and factually flawed.

 

[Woosh]

Latest YouGov poll suggests that LibDems could win in the next GE if BJ takes the UK out without a deal.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/06/28/what-would-it-take-labour-win-general-election-new

If Labour were to win, it would need a new leader and a new brexit strategy.

 

[oyster]

Latest YouGov poll suggests that LibDems could win in the next GE if BJ takes the UK out without a deal.

I'd prefer him to be entirely written out of history, but on the basis that is impossible, I'd get some satisfaction from the thought that BJ could become the only leader of the tories when in government who never became PM. And then lost the next GE (if not already displaced as tory leader) by a huge margin (but not badly enough for NF to look good).

 

[Zlatan]

Labour plots scrapping and replacing inheritance tax

The idea was proposed in the report Land For the Many earlier this month, and would see income tax placed on gifts given during a Brit's lifetime, rather than at their death.

mol.im

Yet another way to lose votes.

 

[50Hertz]

Labour plots scrapping and replacing inheritance tax

The idea was proposed in the report Land For the Many earlier this month, and would see income tax placed on gifts given during a Brit's lifetime, rather than at their death.

mol.im

Yet another way to lose votes.

Come and ride, Rinse the Workers, Reward the Shirkers. It’s the latest attraction at Corbyn’s, the UK’s premier Communist Theme Park.

Corbyn’s, financial misery for all the working family.

 

[50Hertz]

Labour plots scrapping and replacing inheritance tax

The idea was proposed in the report Land For the Many earlier this month, and would see income tax placed on gifts given during a Brit's lifetime, rather than at their death.

mol.im

Yet another way to lose votes.

.....and a few more votes shunted over to Nigel. The mainstream political parties really are intent on boosting support for Nigel Farage’s BXP.

Come and join the Working Class. The most hated and despised group of people in the United Kingdom.

 

[oyster]

A company which, though otherwise sound, goes bust due to no-deal will affect all its workers, its owners, its management, its suppliers, etc., is likely to have a greater impact on wealth passing down generations than inheritance tax or whatever is put in its stead.

There are many stories of people losing their houses due to redundancy - especially if the company were unable to make full redundancy payments.

So we see JH saying as below. And I don't think BJ could actually say much different.

Jeremy Hunt sparks business anger with no-deal Brexit comment

Tory leadership hopeful says he would tell bankrupt firms their sacrifice was worth it

 

[oldgroaner]

Come and ride, Rinse the Workers, Reward the Shirkers. It’s the latest attraction at Corbyn’s, the UK’s premier Communist Theme Park.

Corbyn’s, financial misery for all the working family.

A re run of Germany in the 1930's with the fascists inheriting the workers vote.. History repeats itself

 

[Fingers]

Come and ride, Rinse the Workers, Reward the Shirkers. It’s the latest attraction at Corbyn’s, the UK’s premier Communist Theme Park.

Corbyn’s, financial misery for all the working family.

Tbf if Corbyn or McDonnell said they were privatising the BBC and giving the money as tax breaks to anyone earning over 40k you’d have a problem with it.

If they said they were going to make everyone on benefits wear compulsory identity badges to claim benefits and services such as the NHS you’d still have a problem with it.

 

[oldgroaner]

A company which, thought otherwise sound, goes bust due to no-deal will affect all its workers, its owners, its management, its suppliers, etc., is likely to have a greater impact on wealth passing down generations than inheritance tax or whatever is put in its stead.

There are many stores of people losing their houses due to redundancy - especially if the company were unable to make full redundancy payments.

So we see JH saying as below. And I don't think BJ could actually say much different.

Jeremy Hunt sparks business anger with no-deal Brexit comment

Tory leadership hopeful says he would tell bankrupt firms their sacrifice was worth it

For after all if Brexit doesn't go ahead come what may on Oct 31st "we may well slide into another referendum and Brexit not happen at all!" Said Hancock this morning on radio four.

When Cameron rubbed his magic lamp to grant the Referendum it was a pity he didn't read the label on the site that said "One wish only"
What a bizarre situation, that the "will of the people" on a single occasion becomes the equivalent of Holy writ, that has to be complied with regardless of the consequences, even when clearly it is no longer the major view in the country.
If ever there was a recipe for disaster, it is to risk Brexit now, without another mandate to continiue from the public.