Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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the question was quite specific. Do you want to leave or remain. What part of that is not specified and amounts to a looser relationship
if it's not specified then why would you object to TM's deal then?
why didn't you examine the motives of those MPs who voted her deal down?
those who are on the opposition benches are easy to understand why they oppose her deal but how about 80-100 of her own MPs?
 
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jonathan.agnew

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his policies and the fact that he hates the country and wants to be friends with all our enemies, and that he is economically illiterate. You hate Boris but are quite happy for him to be in power. Strange
I dont hate boris. I see him for what he is. Sometimes one has to use an aggressive opponents actions and momentum against them. He isnt about to be in power. Hes about to become a far bigger tit than chunt. And that is his own and leave voters making.
 

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the question was quite specific. Do you want to leave or remain. What part of that is not specified and amounts to a looser relationship
If you cannot see that you are invincibility ignorant.(look it up) Even the dogs in the street knew that after the divorce or separation or trial separation that the UK had to have some relationship with the other 27 of its nearest neighbours..if only for the sake of the children. There was no tug large enough to drag it into the middle of the Pacific.
 

Fingers

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if it's not specified then why would you object to TM's deal then?
why didn't you examine the motives of those MPs who voted her deal down?
those who are on the opposition benches are easy to understand why they oppose her deal but how about 80-100 of her own MPs?

Because her deal was not leaving the EU. It was staying in with worse benefits.
 

Fingers

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If you cannot see that you are invincibility ignorant.(look it up) Even the dogs in the street knew that after the divorce or separation or trial separation that the UK had to have some relationship with the other 27 of its nearest neighbours..if only for the sake of the children. There was no tug large enough to drag it into the middle of the Pacific.

We will have a relationship with our neighbours.

Why wouldn't we?
 

oldgroaner

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We will have a relationship with our neighbours.

Why wouldn't we?
Having the country run by a bunch of fascists as a tax haven who you can't trust to respect agreements or pay their bills perhaps?
Who wants a right wing version of Cuba for a neighbour?
 
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gray198

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if it's not specified then why would you object to TM's deal then?
why didn't you examine the motives of those MPs who voted her deal down?
those who are on the opposition benches are easy to understand why they oppose her deal but how about 80-100 of her own MPs?
I have not seen the full deal so cannot say, but if it had been a reasonable document I'm sure it would have been voted through. Some seem to think it was more of a surrender document. As for the opposition, although they stood on a platform of carrying out the result of the referendum, all they have done is try to create a situation for a GE. And then you are all whingeing on here about not being able to trust Boris
 
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gray198

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I dont hate boris. I see him for what he is. Sometimes one has to use an aggressive opponents actions and momentum against them. He isnt about to be in power. Hes about to become a far bigger tit than chunt. And that is his own and leave voters making.
why do you not see Corbyn for the hypocrite he is. All his political life he has been opposed to the EU, and now he is in favour of it.
 

gray198

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If you cannot see that you are invincibility ignorant.(look it up) Even the dogs in the street knew that after the divorce or separation or trial separation that the UK had to have some relationship with the other 27 of its nearest neighbours..if only for the sake of the children. There was no tug large enough to drag it into the middle of the Pacific.
who ever said we should not have a relationship with them. You are talking as if we are going to have no trade or dealings with them at all. It is the nature of the relationship which is the sticking point. They want to still have control over us and who we trade with. I'm sure that if we left tomorrow without a deal, trade would continue in some form and very quickly would normalise. Yes there would be a bit of posturing and threatening on both sides of the water, but in the end common sense would take over. There is too much at stake , and surely there is no good reason to try and punish each other
 

flecc

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Because her deal was not leaving the EU. It was staying in with worse benefits.
Any deal will be the same, as the EU said, we cannot cherry pick. If we are to trade, that will have to be accompanied by acceptance of a raft of EU standards and rules, just as the 50 countries who have trade deals with the EU have accepted those.

And of course leaving will always mean a loss of benefits. Leave a club and you can't have free use of the clubhouse and facilities.

I just don't understand why Leavers can't understand these obvious facts of life.
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OxygenJames

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I dont hate boris. I see him for what he is.
Oh p-l-e-a-s-e give the fc uk over. Like you fc uking know. You know nothing. You 'see him for what he is'. Right. You see him through your utterly blinkered judgements and pre-conceived notions.

Go look up the phrase 'conformation bias' when you have a moment spare from praising your own deluded perceptions.
 
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Fingers

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Any deal will be the same, as the EU said, we cannot cherry pick. If we are to trade, that will have to be accompanied by acceptance of a raft of EU standards and rules, just as the 50 countries who have trade deals with the EU have accepted those.

And of course leaving will always mean a loss of benefits. Leave a club and you can't have free use of the clubhouse and facilities.

I just don't understand why Leavers can't understand these obvious facts of life.
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That's your imagination.

We know there will be a hit. Moat of us just want out now. Remainers included.

They can keep the clubhouse and it's facilities. We don't want them. We voted to leave them.

We had a referendum and everything. You must remember that what with your super power?
 
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