Brexit, for once some facts.

Fingers

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The problem is he didn't say something outrageous, you would have to be out of your mind to trust Boris with the key to a Piggy bank, never mind our Nuclear Arsenal.
Rory proved he had no principles or integrity, bloody disgraceful.
Typical Tory

Do you really think Johnson will nuclear bomb another country?

Seriously. Do you?
 

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yes but getting caught won't be a concern to them if there is no effective punishment. There has got to be a proportionate punishment fitting the crime

When crime pays people will do it.

You have to stop it paying. That’s the answer.
 
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What if he buys it on "holiday" in Belfast.
When they brought in the 50p per unit of alcohol in Scotland everybody got their booze on holiday or just across the border at Gretna Green.
the maximum tax and duty free allowance is £390 per person + 1L of spirit + 200 cigarettes
 

oldgroaner

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When crime pays people will do it.

You have to stop it paying. That’s the answer.
Well the Conservatives have made a good start by simply legalising crime, the Brexit Referendum swindle they got away with being a cardinal example.
That's the easiest way to eliminate crime, pretend it never happened.

They have already made that crime legal by default, all they have to do is to widen the scope of that policy

Terry Pratchett foresaw an answer to the problem in his Discworld Novels
He envisaged Crime being organised into Guilds
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The Patrician Lord Vetinari made the guilds register with the Patrician's Palace, and made them regulate their members' behaviors. For example, before the legalization of the guilds, thieves could rob and mug as many people for as many times as they, the thieves, liked, and the monetary gain may be high or low depending on luck or hard work; after legalization, the Thieves' Guild makes money mainly by having rich people pay an annual premium so that members of the guild do not have to break into people's houses and rob them. This and similar systems make life more predictable, and people, including the Thieves, have time to get on with their lives.

Guild enforcers police the behaviors of guild members and make working a privilege of guild members. This ensures two things: clients will get fully professional services, and guild members can charge a high price for their work. Guild enforcers have the right and indeed duty to catch and punish a working non-member; this kicks the City Watch out of a lot of its traditional jurisdiction (A cop will only catch you. What would, say, an Assassin do to a freelancer?). A Guildhouse and its grounds are considered private properties, and even in case of a suspected crime are not to be intruded by Watchmen. Many guilds take in orphans and train them up in guild schools, giving them skills for a career for life- the surnames (Clockson, Ludd) are a telling sign of this heritage. Some guilds, such as the Assassins' Guild, offer such a high-quality education that people pay for their children to be educated there. Many guilds hire their own physicians and run their own private hospitals for members.

Somehow it makes me think of the notion of Having Private Health insurance instead of the NHS, carried to it's logical conclusion :cool:
 
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Fingers

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No, but he quite capable of making a gaffe by threatening to use them, that is the danger

So your biggest fear of Johnson is him making a gaffe?

That's it?

I think you may be in for some serious growing up very quickly if and when he becomes PM.
 

Fingers

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Well the Conservatives have made a good start by simply legalising crime, the Brexit Referendum swindle they got away with being a cardinal example.
That's the easiest way to eliminate crime, pretend it never happened.

They have already made that crime legal by default, all they have to do is to widen the scope of that policy

Terry Pratchett foresaw an answer to the problem in his Discworld Novels
He envisaged Crime being organised into Guilds
"
The Patrician Lord Vetinari made the guilds register with the Patrician's Palace, and made them regulate their members' behaviors. For example, before the legalization of the guilds, thieves could rob and mug as many people for as many times as they, the thieves, liked, and the monetary gain may be high or low depending on luck or hard work; after legalization, the Thieves' Guild makes money mainly by having rich people pay an annual premium so that members of the guild do not have to break into people's houses and rob them. This and similar systems make life more predictable, and people, including the Thieves, have time to get on with their lives.

Guild enforcers police the behaviors of guild members and make working a privilege of guild members. This ensures two things: clients will get fully professional services, and guild members can charge a high price for their work. Guild enforcers have the right and indeed duty to catch and punish a working non-member; this kicks the City Watch out of a lot of its traditional jurisdiction (A cop will only catch you. What would, say, an Assassin do to a freelancer?). A Guildhouse and its grounds are considered private properties, and even in case of a suspected crime are not to be intruded by Watchmen. Many guilds take in orphans and train them up in guild schools, giving them skills for a career for life- the surnames (Clockson, Ludd) are a telling sign of this heritage. Some guilds, such as the Assassins' Guild, offer such a high-quality education that people pay for their children to be educated there. Many guilds hire their own physicians and run their own private hospitals for members.

Somehow it makes me think of the notion of Having Private Health insurance instead of the NHS, carried to it's logical conclusion :cool:

The Conservatives actively campaigned for remain.

They lost and are simply honouring and are accepting the will of the people.

Try it some time once you've finished your stories.
 
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wheeler

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What if he buys it on "holiday" in Belfast.
When they brought in the 50p per unit of alcohol in Scotland everybody got their booze on holiday or just across the border at Gretna Green.
Mainland Scotland extends for 350 miles north of Gretna Green, so "everybody" in Scotland isn't "just across the border".
 
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50Hertz

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Is this because you see yourself as a person or as goods?. But more importantly since the traffic is coming from hundreds of miles inside an EU country all the vetting has already been done. In the case of the UK and Ireland ,that would not be the case. England,let alone Scotland and Northern Ireland have have major sea ports bringing millions of tonnes internationally
No, things and people are travelling between an EU country (Italy) and a non EU Country (Switzerland). Just like the U.K. and Ireland.

This is the real issue. You are taking a problem which already has a tried and tested working solution, making it unnecessarily complicated, confusing yourself, and then screwing up the answer. Go back to basics. The border problem has been solved. The problem doesn’t exist.
 

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I'm the same with Rockall and Northern Ireland
No. Rockall is closer to Donegal than any part of NI but is marginally closer to St Kilda an Island in the Scottish Hebrides group than to Tory Island (really!!!) An Irish island..so It is within the Scottish zone
 

Fingers

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No, things and people are travelling between an EU country (Italy) and a non EU Country (Switzerland). Just like the U.K. and Ireland.

This is the real issue. You are taking a problem which already has a tried and tested working solution, making it unnecessarily complicated, confusing yourself, and then screwing up the answer. Go back to basics. The border problem has been solved. The problem doesn’t exist.

Dan likes the blarney.

He's a good guy, he loves us secretly but he dies love the blarney.

Classic Stockholm syndrome behaviour.
 
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Fingers

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No. Rockall is closer to Donegal than any part of NI but is marginally closer to St Kilda an Island in the Scottish Hebrides group than to Tory Island (really!!!) An Irish island..so It is within the Scottish zone

Aye. Southern Ireland is the most northern of Ireland for sure.

Edit. I didn't know it was called Tory island lol. That's a bit of a sickener on everyone's behalf apart from James and fiddy.
 

Danidl

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Aye. Southern Ireland is the most northern of Ireland for sure.

Edit. I didn't know it was called Tory island lol. That's a bit of a sickener on everyone's behalf apart from James and fiddy.
Yes not only is it the more northerly part,but it is to the west as well, and that is what matters in this case. Rest easy. Tory Island is now deserted in winter,as far as I know
 

oldgroaner

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So your biggest fear of Johnson is him making a gaffe?

That's it?

I think you may be in for some serious growing up very quickly if and when he becomes PM.
Your usual insulting tone is noted , and you are the one who needs to grow up , I know what a mess Johnson will make, my response was to your specific question.
As usual you were too thick to realise that
 
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oldgroaner

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The Conservatives actively campaigned for remain.

They lost and are simply honouring and are accepting the will of the people.

Try it some time once you've finished your stories.
Well now, so called media man. Which people led the leave campaign? and what party did they belong to? and which people have committed illegal acts to obtain a rigged referendum result?
It was the will of an insidious dark money campaign that misused the media to convince enough mugs to skew the result , not the will of the people
Time for you to stop working for RT and face facts
 
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