Brexit, for once some facts.

Fingers

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I would rather that they had got someone capable to make the attempt, wouldn't you?
But then you must have had faith in these people or you wouldn't have voted for Brexit.
I didn't and they performed as well as they have all along in everything they touch,
appallingly badly, but when people vote without thinking, bad things happen.

Who voted without thinking?

You have something to back this nonsense up with of course?
 
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Fingers

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It's funny. Reading all the depressing nonsense the usual folk post on here. Continually. I noticed on the view from my edit suite today that no fewer than 5 buildings are under construction in the docklands. Each one bigger than the Nat West Tower. This doesn't include the enormous monstrosity in the city next to the nat west tower and is nearly twice the size! Everywhere in London is basically a building site. Cranes everywhere.

This isn't government investment. As if. This is private investment who do not throw money around unless they expect a return.

Maybe they see Brexit as a positive. Who knows but if London is the barometer of the country, and historically is has been then things are looking very good for UK plc.
 
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oldgroaner

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Who voted without thinking?

You have something to back this nonsense up with of course?
Explain the process where a vote can be thought of as "Thinking it through" when the person making is not in possession of the facts?
And you can't say that they were, for even the Government and leaders of the Leave campaign didn't have access to those facts either did they?
All they had to go on was propaganda, and rash promises made by people who had no idea they couldn't deliver on them, and haven't.

They voters went on a feeling, and trusting faith which was all that the greater majority had and as we have seen, the basis of a plethora of promises that have all proved false.

How in the face of that can you possibly assert they came to a decision through "Thinking"?
It was a matter of Faith and not logic.
Now it is your turn, prove your case if you can.
 

oldgroaner

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It's funny. Reading all the depressing nonsense the usual folk post on here. Continually. I noticed on the view from my edit suite today that no fewer than 5 buildings are under construction in the docklands. Each one bigger than the Nat West Tower. This doesn't include the enormous monstrosity in the city next to the nat west tower and is nearly twice the size! Everywhere in London is basically a building site. Cranes everywhere.

This isn't government investment. As if. This is private investment who do not throw money around unless they expect a return.

Maybe they see Brexit as a positive. Who knows but if London is the barometer of the country, and historically is has been then things are looking very good for UK plc.
Have you not wondered where that money is coming from and why?
This is old news but things have got worse since then not better

https://www.globalwitness.org/en/blog/two-years-still-dark-about-86000-anonymously-owned-uk-homes/

And of course you have to ask what is the purpose of these buildings?
Lets see now
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A 56-storey tower called The Diamond is set to join the growing cluster of skyscrapers in the City of London and will be the financial district’s third-tallest building when completed.

The planned 263.4m tower at 100 Leadenhall Street will rank behind 1 Undershaft at 290m, nicknamed the Trellis, where work is yet to start, and 22 Bishopsgate, the reworked Pinnacle at 278m, which is under construction. All three will eclipse the nearby Heron Tower, currently the tallest building in the Square Mile at 231m.

The new tower will have 102,000 sq m of office space to house more than 6,000 workers, with a free public viewing gallery, restaurant, bar and shops.

The wedge-shaped glass tower, which will have a facade made up of elongated diamond shapes, is being funded by the Hong Kong company Lai Sun Development, founded by textiles magnate Lim Por-yen.

In other words by Communist China. that altruistic charity nation, and we can rest easy in our beds that they have our best interests at heart.
 
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Fingers

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Explain the process where a vote can be thought of as "Thinking it through" when the person making is not in possession of the facts?
And you can't say that they were, for even the Government and leaders of the Leave campaign didn't have access to those facts either did they?
All they had to go on was propaganda, and rash promises made by people who had no idea they couldn't deliver on them, and haven't.

They voters went on a feeling, and trusting faith which was all that the greater majority had and as we have seen, the basis of a plethora of promises that have all proved false.

How in the face of that can you possibly assert they came to a decision through "Thinking"?
It was a matter of Faith and not logic.
Now it is your turn, prove your case if you can.

What 'facts' were kept from the voters?

None. There was 2 campaigns. One was by the government, the official opposition and every other political party bar one. They had huge media reach, massive infrastructure and a history of running campaigns. Why did the people not believe in their propaganda?

I ask you again. Who voted without thinking?

You must have something to back up your nonsense?
 
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oldgroaner

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What 'facts' were kept from the voters?

None. There was 2 campaigns. One was by the government, the official opposition and every other political party bar one. They had huge media reach, massive infrastructure and a history of running campaigns. Why did the people not believe in their propaganda?

I ask you again. Who voted without thinking?

You must have something to back up your nonsense?
That you would understand? none at all.
For instance when I post that even the Government didn't have access to facts you respond with this?
"What 'facts' were kept from the voters?
What relevance has that question, when you clearly failed to grasp the point I was making that it was a leap in the dark in the absence of facts.
However I will respond to it
The question posed :What 'facts' were kept from the voters?
The answer; Those facts that could be ascertained by a little research into the operation of the European parliament that neither the voters of Government could be bothered to check.
This was exemplified by the surge in Google queries the morning after the referendum along the lines of "What is the EU?"
Which gets down statement and the answer to "What facts were kept from the votes?
Is.
The ones that were available to them, but they had already made their minds up due to propaganda and promises and so never bothered to check and verify them for truth
In other words What facts were kept from the voters? The facts that they kept from themselves.
 

Fingers

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That you would understand? none at all.
For instance when I post that even the Government didn't have access to facts you respond with this?
"What 'facts' were kept from the voters?
What relevance has that question, when you clearly failed to grasp the point I was making that it was a leap in the dark in the absence of facts.
However I will respond to it
The question posed :What 'facts' were kept from the voters?
The answer; Those facts that could be ascertained by a little research into the operation of the European parliament that neither the voters of Government could be bothered to check.
This was exemplified by the surge in Google queries the morning after the referendum along the lines of "What is the EU?"
Which gets down statement and the answer to "What facts were kept from the votes?
Is.
The ones that were available to them, but they had already made their minds up due to propaganda and promises and so never bothered to check and verify them for truth
In other words What facts were kept from the voters? The facts that they kept from themselves.

You haven't answered the question just prattled away at whatever fart noise is going through your head at any given time of posting.

I will ask again.

What facts were kept from the voters?

And for the third time.

Who voted without thinking?

You must have something to back up your nonsense?
 
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oldgroaner

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I didn't mention housing. Deliberately so.

I'm genuinely thinking its stupidity not dyslexia. Willful ignorance too.
I posted also about one of the skyscrapers, but clearly you are just intent on acting the fool and not engaging in debate
I am sorry to hear about your afflictions, as you admit
"I'm genuinely thinking its stupidity not dyslexia. Willful ignorance too."
on balance I believe your self diagnosis is spot on
 

oldgroaner

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You haven't answered the question just prattled away at whatever fart noise is going through your head at any given time of posting.

I will ask again.

What facts were kept from the voters?

And for the third time.

Who voted without thinking?

You must have something to back up your nonsense?
keep them coming;)
 

Fingers

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I posted also about one of the skyscrapers, but clearly you are just intent on acting the fool and not engaging in debate
I am sorry to hear about your afflictions, as you admit
"I'm genuinely thinking its stupidity not dyslexia. Willful ignorance too."
on balance I believe your self diagnosis is spot on

I quoted your nonsense then you decided to edit it. I can't help it that you lack the intelligence to be able to formulate a response in one take. I'm already dumbing down for you as it is.

Obviously what you added is a cut and paste job with some nonsense at the end. Its your usual m.o. My initial post covers every aspect of whatever point you are making. Private investment. Pretty simple huh? It's easy when you have original thoughts.

And please. Stop with the primary school insults. It's truly unedifying to have an argument with an old man with an 8 year brain.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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Fingers

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keep them coming;)

Guessed so.

Once you get pulled up on your nonsense you back down. It just takes time. That's why most folk just let your guffs of idiocy go. It's tiring and boring arguing with you.

Luckily today I'm at work and it's quiet. It's good to dissect your lies, nonsense and stupidity so forensically. Its shows you who you are.
 
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So you, d kill somebody for throwing milk over you? That's hardly proportionate and actually very very stupid. You, d still serve time for manslaughter.. Wonder what your mum, wife and kids would think whilst visiting you for killing somebody over spilt milk??
The brave person would walk away,perhaps with a damaged ego and pride. Justifying over the top retribution is not the answer, besides I bet you, d walk away had Mike Tyson thrown the milk.
Defending yourself or others from actual bodily harm is only justification for violence in my book. TR should be locked up again for his assault, irrespective of what happened earlier.
In my book, if someone threw something at me ,my first reaction would be deflect and then to hit back. That's in the first 10th of a second . Once the initial impulse has passed, I would be angry of course, but would control myself..its what adults do. So in my book the response of John Prescott was understandable...in this 1/2second window. Now once that moment has passed it is no longer reflex, it is revenge and escalation.
 

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In my book, if someone threw something at me ,my first reaction would be deflect and then to hit back. That's in the first 10th of a second . Once the initial impulse has passed, I would be angry of course, but would control myself..its what adults do. So in my book the response of John Prescott was understandable...in this 1/2second window. Now once that moment has passed it is no longer reflex, it is revenge and escalation.
Totally agreed. A reaction is completely different to a planned response. Prescott reacted, TR retaliated in a planned fashion. I, m fairly sure judiciary would see it similar.
 

oldgroaner

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Guessed so.

Once you get pulled up on your nonsense you back down. It just takes time. That's why most folk just let your guffs of idiocy go. It's tiring and boring arguing with you.

Luckily today I'm at work and it's quiet. It's good to dissect your lies, nonsense and stupidity so forensically. Its shows you who you are.
In no way did I back down as you put it, after I answered your questions the first time and you made it obvious you were unable to understand, I grew weary of the juvenile attacks you made, who wouldn't?
When a child throws a tantrum as you did, and ignores the answers provided, demanding ones that are sufficiently dumbed down that the child can comprehend, adult debate clearly becomes impossible and you are left with a slanging match

There is nothing to be gained by humouring you, you failed utterly as you always do to make a case in support of Brexit.

By all means continue embarrassing yourself if you must
Do try to have a nice day , and in quieter moments try to reconcile your juvenile personal insults with the words "Dissect" and "forensically"
 

oldgroaner

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You haven't answered the question just prattled away at whatever fart noise is going through your head at any given time of posting.

I will ask again.

What facts were kept from the voters?

And for the third time.

Who voted without thinking?

You must have something to back up your nonsense?
You got your answer

Which gets down statement and the answer to "What facts were kept from the votes?
Is.
The ones that were available to them, but they had already made their minds up due to propaganda and promises and so never bothered to check and verify them for truth
In other words What facts were kept from the voters? The facts that they kept from themselves.
 

oldgroaner

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How to be bad loser
Yesterday in the Express
"Peterborough by-election FULL RESULT: Farage Westminster dreams DASHED after Labour defeat
It was of course a Labour Victory actually.


Apparently they fight shy of being truthful

And Today

And today the "Glorious Leader" of the BXP has stated that the shocking defeat was caused by people voting Conservative

In denial is the correct term
 

oldgroaner

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In the Daily Mail
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Labour embroiled in fresh anti-Semitism row as senior backbenchers call for the party's newest MP to be suspended after she endorsed an anti-Jewish online post
  • Jewish groups said Lisa Forbes winning Peterborough by-election was 'dark day'
  • In April she liked a Facebook video referring to Theresa May's 'Zionist agenda'
  • Labour MP Jess Phillips said she could not celebrate Ms Forbes's by-election win.
That's odd that the Zionist political group can't be criticised by us without being labelled anti Jewish when the Jewish Judaism movement feel free to do so.

No political or religious group should have the power to subvert the position of a duly elected member of parliament elected by public vote, or we are not a free and sovereign nation are we?
 

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For those who imagine the EU lords it over us in All things, this is the reality


Just a sample of the facts withheld from Brexit voters at the time of the referendum by their own unwillingness to check the lies being told by the leave campaign, and the Government too
The arguments to leave the EU have no basis in fact but are the result of the indoctrination of the un-wary, preying on the un-informed and prejudice
 
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that list of shared competences is a source of irritation.
the EU expands their role too fast.

Special competences

The EU can take measures to ensure that EU countries coordinate their economic, social and employment policies at EU level.
 
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