Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

That is truly funny are you seriously expecting us to believe Boris is popular with any but a few idiots here?
Good joke
He's as much a laughing stock as the Conservative Party

A few words from Christchurch - apparently the safest tory seat in the country.

“The people around her [TM] proved to be slime buckets,” said Glenda Sprake, a Tory of many years’ standing. “There’s no way I would vote for any of them again.”

As for her local MP, Sir Christopher Chope, the beneficiary of that commanding majority, she says: “He’s worse than horrible. A revolting man.”

“I’m not sure I like any of them,” said Jill Scrivener, a retired dental nurse and veteran Conservative voter. “But definitely not Boris.”

“Sajid Javid,” declared Tina Cresswell. “A fine young man.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/25/christchurch-dorset-safest-tory-seat-angry-voters-theresa-may

AND
Stop Boris campaign launched by Tory moderates opposed to no-deal Brexit
Former foreign secretary attacked as dishonest by leadership candidate Rory Stewart
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/25/moderate-tories-launch-stop-boris-johnson-campaign

 

[Danidl]

"Most".

Do you have data to support such a quantitative argument?

Or are you just blowing smoke out of your ar se?

I cannot speak for the populations of most other countries, but in Ireland he would be seen as a buffoon. An opinion I believe is reflected by a number of other EU countries,and their "Elites".
What is important is not how he is perceived in Mongolia, but in Brussels ,Berlin,Dublin,Paris,Madrid, etc...

 

[Danidl]

They don't need to get a deal through - just run down the clock.

Absolutely true!. That is the situation. The UK need do nothing,and nothing is what they will get.

 

[flecc]

Thing is - the funding for the NHS (to take just one of those) - is not going to be solved by simply throwing more money at it. It is fundamentally flawed. It needs a complete re-think on how to run the thing - on the lines of many countries in the EU funnily enough (with still free-at-point-of-service but funded through a mix of direct grants, patient payment and insurance).

Fully Agree.

As for the rest - they are planning to literally steal those industries from the people that now own them. Really. They will buy them at the value THEY say they're worth not the stock market value. No this is not Russia or some tin-pot African Banana Republic - this is the UK government breaking the most basic of property laws to fund its own economic armageddon. It's beyond belief. But people like you support it. It is utterly beyond comprehensible unless you have literally no idea how economics works.

It's called justice, to a small degree getting something back from those who've been ripping us off so cynically.

Take Thames Water for example. Breaking the company down into several operations with each as a company declaring a cost and added profit margin. Then their "product" is sold onto the next who do the same. Several companies later we get our greatly inflated water bills.

Anyway I don't know why you worry about the likes of water and rail, those companies are almost all foreign company owned, Thames Water for example being Australian owned.
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[Woosh]

No get Brexit out of the way then get Labour in to sort out the railways,gas,electric.water and the NHS funding. Can't see why people are scared of JC , The above policies would improve the average persons life a lot more than the Conservatives could ever do. Yes it will cost but unless you're on £80k Then I wouldn't worry too much (that's what MPs will be on )

he wants to take 10% of the value of large PLCs and give some of it to the workforce, but keep the attached dividend - that's equivalent to 10% additional tax on the dividend. This comes in after bringing the CT back to previous rate under the last Labour administration.
You are talking about a lot of tax on those who normally consider payng tax optional. We can't have that, can we?

 

[Woosh]

They don't need to get a deal through - just run down the clock.

they won't be able to do that.
Parliament will force a vote of no confidence and vote to revoke A50 if that were to happen.
The only likely outcome is a fresh GE. The new PM will say that he/she needs a fresh mandate for WTO brexit. That's why all candidates claim they can beat JC.

 

[Danidl]

they won't be able to do that.
Parliament will force a vote of no confidence and vote to revoke A50 if that were to happen.
The only likely outcome is a fresh GE. The new PM will say that he/she needs a fresh mandate for WTO brexit. That's why all candidates claim they can beat JC.

A parliament which only succeeded in passing one vote,.. essentially meaningless about a No Deal Brexit,will not have any stomach to do something as sensible as revoking A50... And of course this would require the Government moving it.

 

[oldgroaner]

"Yes it would cost but.."

Classic logic from those who simply don't get the 'creating-wealth' side of the equation.

I like you Dave - but sometimes you say the silliest things.

How very condescending you are, we know all about wealth creation, and how much of that wealth sticks in the wallets of the villains who swindle the public, amazing the airs and graces the parasitic wealthy class award themselves.
But then they have always felt they had a god given right to rule, and found ways of conning the proles using smooth salesmanship and lies.
The Public are the wealth providing side of the equation, the Conservatives cream off the proceeds and are a net loss.
And like rats have fallen out among themselves to get us in the mess we are now.
You simply "don't get" that the trouble you will cause yourselves with your latest confidence trick of selling out to Foreign Corporate interests is that you , here, will be taken for a ride as well as the public.
Small fry to be snapped up, that's all the Brexit bandits like the Adam Smith Institute, ERG and Farage faction are.
Turkeys voting for Christmas

 

[oldgroaner]

As for the rest - they are planning to literally steal those industries from the people that now own them

Actually they were stolen from the public so the new owners are in fact in possession of stolen property

 

[oldgroaner]

Behold the Next Prime minister
In the Telegraph
"
Michael Gove Back me over Boris Johnson for Tory leader to beat Jeremy Corbyn and deliver Brexit

Mr's Gove makes her move at last

 

[oldgroaner]

Also in the Telegraph a man determined to confirm he is stupid
"
Why do we care about British Steel any more than Blockbuster Video?
DANIEL HANNAN

Because without steel we are a sitting duck you idiot!

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Express
"
Nigel Farage: You CANNOT trust Boris Johnson with Brexit ‘political cardsharp!’
BORIS Johnson last night faced an extraordinary onslaught from both Brexiteers and Remainers who said he cannot be trusted to be Prime Minister.

looks like a campaign for Gove is under way

 

[daveboy]

Once a Labour Government gets in and tells the utility companies there is going to be a "windfall tax" on profits the shares will drop to the floor.
More money for the NHS won't solve all the problems but it won't make it worse.
When Mrs May said on TV that Cutting the Police force by 20,000 didn't have an effect on crime she must have been the only person in the country to think this.
Companies such as Amazon have been getting away with paying too little tax for too long, Any company operating in this country should pay tax on a percentage of turnover if they try to avoid paying what they owe by using dubious methods.
Starbucks Don't make a profit here because they pay too much for their coffee beans...….But they buy their coffee beans from a company abroad that they own. A ten percent tax on turnover would soon sort that scam out.
Read this about Starbucks, It stinks.

Starbucks 'paid just £8.6m UK tax in 14 years'

US coffee giant Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in the UK over 14 years and nothing in the last three years.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[oldgroaner]

And in the Daily Mail
"
Gove leads Operation Stop Boris: Johnson's old foe launches attack on the Tory leadership front-runner as Hunt, Hancock and Stewart all criticize the ex-Foreign Secretary - but Liz Truss bows out of the race"

The reader's comments are all pro Boris calling Gove a backstabber, forgetting that is exactly what Boris did to Cameron

 

[oyster]

In the Express
"
Nigel Farage: You CANNOT trust Boris Johnson with Brexit ‘political cardsharp!’
BORIS Johnson last night faced an extraordinary onslaught from both Brexiteers and Remainers who said he cannot be trusted to be Prime Minister.

looks like a campaign for Gove is under way

Even the Mail has caught up, albeit years down the track:

“PM race turning toxic already.”

 

[OxygenJames]

Absolutely true!. That is the situation. The UK need do nothing,and nothing is what they will get.

Excellent. A clean break. What we voted for.

 

[oyster]

Brian Blessed for PM/leader of the tories?

Theresa May failed to get the EU to break its rules because she didn’t SHOUT LOUDLY AT FOREIGNERS. If only we bellow hard enough, the EU will fold, and we can live in the pro-having-your-cake-and-pro-eating-it world of Boris Johnson, a layabout fraud Kipling would have despised for his conviction that he should be paid for existing and others must pay for his sins.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/25/the-tories-have-abandoned-thought-in-favour-of-believing-their-own-lies

 

[oyster]

Once a Labour Government gets in and tells the utility companies there is going to be a "windfall tax" on profits the shares will drop to the floor.
More money for the NHS won't solve all the problems but it won't make it worse.
When Mrs May said on TV that Cutting the Police force by 20,000 didn't have an effect on crime she must have been the only person in the country to think this.
Companies such as Amazon have been getting away with paying too little tax for too long, Any company operating in this country should pay tax on a percentage of turnover if they try to avoid paying what they owe by using dubious methods.
Starbucks Don't make a profit here because they pay too much for their coffee beans...….But they buy their coffee beans from a company abroad that they own. A ten percent tax on turnover would soon sort that scam out.
Read this about Starbucks, It stinks.

Starbucks 'paid just £8.6m UK tax in 14 years'

US coffee giant Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in the UK over 14 years and nothing in the last three years.

www.bbc.co.uk

Starbucks make themselves quite easy to avoid despite their ubiquity. They serve disgusting drinks - their coffee so unpleasant I tried their tea. That was, if possible, even worse. My complaint drew vouchers for "free" drinks which we could never bring ourselves to use.

 

[oyster]

Well, well, well. There's a surprise.

Conservative membership swells by 36,000 ahead of leadership election
Tens of thousands of new members have joined the Conservatives in the last year, swelling the electorate that will choose Theresa May's successor.

The Tories now have more than 160,000 paid-up supporters, an increase of almost a third since March 2018.

Sources claimed the rise was down to a recruitment drive led by Brandon Lewis, who was appointed as party chairman in January 2018.

However the rapid growth is likely to spark further claims that the Tories have been "infiltrated" by hardline Brexiteers in recent months.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/25/conservative-membership-surge-amid-fears-campaign-swing-leadership/

 

[Woosh]

However the rapid growth is likely to spark further claims that the Tories have been "infiltrated" by hardline Brexiteers in recent months.

the last survey shows that tory members who are remainers now down to just 15%.