So do you think everybody that votes Conservative in the EU elections wants to remain.....YES or NO
Brexit, for once some facts.
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They Don't vote conservative!,so the question is moot. When the inevitable British General Election arrives they will have an opportunity to vote Conservative.
If a Conservative type supporter votes for a Conservative endorsed candidate for the EU election, they are voting remain. What is going through their mind is irrelevant.
You are clearly confused as both major parties are committed to Brexit
Because you have been persuaded after the referendum that an extreme form of Brexit which wasn't on offer at the time of the referendum, is what you voted for, and indeed the leave campaign went to great lengths to deny would happen.
Why didn't you listen to what the leave campaign told you would be available and to expect?
Would you like to see all the video evidence we posted up on here from them again?
We can prove what was actually promised.
Neither party has lied in their manifesto they have tried to get you pretty much what the leave campaign promised.
You have been kidding yourself all along, haven't you?
If any lying has been going on, you did it to yourself.
Now you want to blame everyone else for your mistake.
Yep, I did. Theres not much difference these days.,just levels of dissatifaction.
They are not keen enough on Brexit if they vote Conservative, since they know full well that many Conservative party members are remainers. If they were keen Brexiteers they'd vote for the Brexit party in the European Parliament election.
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Or they don't want a Brexit on WTO rules....That doesn't make them remainers by any stretch of the imagination.Danidl wants to count them as remain voters he's having a giraffe.
Of course, but by default it make them tactical voters. Not supporting the Brexit Party makes them enhancing the opposition Remain position.
The more the vote spreads, the greater the chance that Remain parties become the majority.
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De facto they are. It is the consequence of creating the Brexit specific party. Every action has a consequence. That they may personally be in favour of some more limited form of a nuanced Brexit becomes irrelevant. Look back over all those thousands of postings extolling the 17 million and their stance. That many of these people wanted an entire spectrum of Brexit outcomes is irrelevant, they are all tarred by the same brush.
THis is a case of the biter bit or for the more cultured being hoisted by their own petard.
If you had said if the Libdems get more votes than the Brexit party then that's a vote for remain I might have taken you more seriously ..Now you want to count all the other parties in your calculations....What about the ones who abstain? would you like to count them as well ? As I said before many voters would not vote for another party no matter what, If voting conservative was voting remain why has Michael Heseltine said he will change the habit of a lifetime and vote Libdems?
Whether you choose to take me seriously or not, is your call. But look logically at the proposition. No I am not counting abstainers as anything other than undecided.
Even M. Heseltine is being irrational... Voting in the European Elections is not a party political matter. There is no way to vote Conservative Party or Labour Party, as these parties do not exist as such in Europe. There are coalitions of like minded individuals in the European parliament, and when elected the MEPs tend to join the one most closely aligned to their social stance.
Now I have explained myself about three times, and if you read my previous posts, that is usually my limit on any topic.
Seems milk shakes are spreading. Farage is developing a taste for them, fortunately.
I agree with your premise, but those MPs you say are not "Tory" are representing Tory minded voters.
It is quite a pedantic argument but as much as there are no actual "Tories" (or any other of our divisions) in European elections there are certainly like minded groups for them to attach and identify with.
Just as there are no 5 star MEPs from UK you can bet TR will be identifying with those. (and similar minded from France.)
The political divisions throughout EU (and the world) may well not have same name but they can certainly be catagorised into groups sharing, similar beliefs, outlooks, policies and actions.
Your premise all Tories (or people following Tory doctrine) are remainers is actually wrong. Most generalisations tend to be so.
it's not so far fetched.
Conservatives and Labour polled about 36% each before Farage created the BXP.
Now conservatives are down to 9%-10%, Labour down to 24% while the BXP polls about 34%.
Tory voters are split at around 70% for brexit, 30% remain.
It's not unreasonable to say that most of the 70% conservative who are brexiters (roughly 27% of the electorate) have now moved to the BXP, the remaining 30% tory voters (roughly 9% of the electorate) are tory remainers.
Similarly, 30% of Labour voters (about 9% of the electorate) who are for brexit have also moved to the BXP, the remaining 70% (roughtly 27%), some will move to Libdems, most Labour remainers will vote for Labour on Thursday.
If anything, the current European Parliament 2019 polls show clearly that more remainers than brexiter will vote, about 55/45.
By your calculations all the other parties together will get 40 seats and the Brexit party will get 33...I wonder if Farage would be he happy with that, you might be right ..roll on Friday morning.
the current polls give Farage 22 seats, he will have won more seats than Labour (17), LibDems (12), conservatives (8).
Other smaller parties get 23 seats altogether.
I am saying that judging by the likely result this Sunday, 'the will of the people' would be to remain by 55/45 if this election is a second referendum.
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If the constituents in Broxtowe voted Conservative, they would be voting for Anna Soubry who wants to scrap Brexit in its entity. So in that case, a Conservative vote would be a vote to remain. If you were a devout leaver, you would vote for Nigel Farage.