Brexit, for once some facts.

[OxygenJames]

We ALL lost.

Don't be so down!

Look how much more fun politics is these days.

I mean - are you really in need of money? I mean actually you. Would more money really make you that much more happy?

If so - OK fair enough. Then there's all that to go through.

But otherwise - so what. Like I say it sure livened up the public discourse. IMHO of course.

 

[oldgroaner]

And there you have the strange world OG inhabits - where Channel 4 News delivers News and the Independent is independent. Orwellian indeed.

How can someone like yourself possibly understand? your ideas are polluted by the Adam Smith Institute, who would sell their own Grandmother for thirty pieces of silver.
Orwellian hardly describes them, try Fascist instead.
How Independent is that? you are a fine one to point a finger.
But then that is standard practice from the pages of "Brexit for Dummies"
Accuse the opposition of doing the same thing you are.

The strange world I inhabit tries to find the truth among the lies.

 

[OxygenJames]

Unless you are hunting....

``Just the place for a Snark!'' the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.

``Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true.''

That's a wonderful poem.

 

[OxygenJames]

The strange world I inhabit tries to find the truth among the lies.

That's a good place to start.

 

[oldgroaner]

Child. You are simply throwing a tantrum because you have no idea what you want, how to get it if you did know what you wanted, or what the consequences would be.

Whatever the Adam Smith Institute declare will "Make America Great Again" is what OJ wants.
With that intent the collateral damage isn't a problem.

 

[Woosh]

BJ is now largely an irrelevance. As are the Torys. We are in unchartered waters.

you sound like some people whom I met in casinos in my youth.

 

[oldgroaner]

Don't be so down!

Look how much more fun politics is these days.

I mean - are you really in need of money? I mean actually you. Would more money really make you that much more happy?

If so - OK fair enough. Then there's all that to go through.

But otherwise - so what. Like I say it sure livened up the public discourse. IMHO of course.

On the subject of fun how's this?

Just a bit of fun as usual

 

[daveboy]

On the subject of fun how's this?

Just a bit of fun as usual

I do this when playing Badminton, bad ankle, bad back, racket strings too slack...….get your excuses in early....

 

[oyster]

Only 37% know that the conservative party supports brexit

Was that polled from the current HoC, HoL, cabinet, central office cleaners, ...

 

[oldgroaner]

I do this when playing Badminton, bad ankle, bad back, racket strings too slack...….get your excuses in early....

You really fail to comprehend the situation, don't you? on the present trend the Brexit Party will gain 34 seats, since they are led by Farage, what benefit will the UK derive from their brief existence at the EU parliament?
He isn't going to turn up is he?
According to him the EU rides roughshod over our 74 MEPS.
If true all they can be is a waste of money.

If we actually accept May's deal and leave they are instantly out of a job
If we leave with no deal the same applies
If we remain, then they will attend knowing they will be treated as idiots!

Tell me, what do you think this group are actually doing you will benefit from?
You would get a more effective reaction dropping your trousers outside 10 Downing Street and mooning at Larry the Cat.

In the meantime they are mugging supporters and laundering dark money as the system makes the donor untraceable if the sum is less than £500.
A Bot could easily generate 100,00 supporters and make them look real.

It was bad enough the leave campaign made mugs of you at the referendum, this lot are even fleecing their supporters as well!
How many million mugs are there in this country?

And after the EU election what has changed? nothing...
17 and a half million people failed to get their own way again.
Fancy trusting Farage, how loony is that?
And one of his nutter candidates suggests things will not get back to normal for 30 years.
To get back the Sovereignty we never lost.
Only a fool would want that.

 

[daveboy]

You really fail to comprehend the situation, don't you? on the present trend the Brexit Party will gain 34 seats, since they are led by Farage, what benefit will the UK derive from their brief existence at the EU parliament?
He isn't going to turn up is he?
According to him the EU rides roughshod over our 74 MEPS.
If true all they can be is a waste of money.

If we actually accept May's deal and leave they are instantly out of a job
If we leave with no deal the same applies
If we remain, then they will attend knowing they will be treated as idiots!

Tell me, what do you think this group are actually doing you will benefit from?
You would get a more effective reaction dropping your trousers outside 10 Downing Street and mooning at Larry the Cat.

In the meantime they are mugging supporters and laundering dark money as the system makes the donor untraceable if the sum is less than £500.
A Bot could easily generate 100,00 supporters and make them look real.

It was bad enough the leave campaign made mugs of you at the referendum, this lot are even fleecing their supporters as well!
How many million mugs are there in this country?

And after the EU election what has changed? nothing...
17 and a half million people failed to get their own way again.
Fancy trusting Farage, how loony is that?

It's you that doesn't get it..When their was a remain petition running and it reached 6 million the remainers hailed it as some sort of victory, When the Brexit party get 35 to 50 seats you will say it's irrelevant, it's a lot harder for people to go out and vote than to click on a remain petition. If the Brexit party win loads of seats (on a WTO platform ) it will confirm that the leavers have not changed their opinion.

 

[oyster]

. If the Brexit party win loads of seats (on a WTO platform )

What is its manifesto?

 

[daveboy]

What is its manifesto?

it doesn't matter......Brexit was in the Conservatives and Labours manifesto.

 

[50Hertz]

Saying a bad idea three times in a row does not miraculously turn it into a good idea.

Perhaps you should have a word with Nigel Farage, Tony Robinson and the fat neck Brexit Dad’s? They keep saying WTO over and over again in the vain hope that it will turn an idiotic & doomed idea into a successful one? That’s about as plausible as anything else I’ve heard from those ocean going idiots.

 

[Zlatan]

There is a simple and obvious choice
The Country simply has to choose to Cancel Brexit,
or face disaster.
It couldn't be simpler

At this stage Farage is just an expression of disgust, nothing more, nothing less

I think you are missing the elephant in room now OG. Assume Art50 was rescinded, Brexit cancelled, exactly who then wins next, probably forced, GE.
Cancelling Brexit would now solve nothing. It would leave country equally split and MPs not having a clue how and what to canvass on.
Lets face it OG whatever decision, which couldnt be made anyway, is made (yes its a contradiction) wouldnt solve our constitutional problem now.
Pandoras box was opened, these idiots, any of them, cant close it.

Split Tories and out of touch, and split, labour have managed to manipulate us into a situation where Nigel Farage could actually end up PM. Just stop and think about that and how ridiculous situation is when Farage is even in contention. (ok could be)

 

[oldgroaner]

It's you that doesn't get it..When their was a remain petition running and it reached 6 million the remainers hailed it as some sort of victory, When the Brexit party get 35 to 50 seats you will say it's irrelevant, it's a lot harder for people to go out and vote than to click on a remain petition. If the Brexit party win loads of seats (on a WTO platform ) it will confirm that the leavers have not changed their opinion.

I get it all right, I recognise a futile gesture when I see one!
It all means nothing at all, does it? no one cares the leavers are too dumb to change their opinion, who in their right mind thinks WTO is a good idea?
Answer; no other country in the world.
And there is no proof that they are a majority now, if they were less afraid of losing they would revel in the idea of another referendum to prove it
The truth is they are desperate.
Scared to put their money where their mouth is.
They know they would lose.

 

[oyster]

it doesn't matter......Brexit was in the Conservatives and Labours manifesto.

If someone votes for a party without a manifesto, then whatever that party does they will claim to do in the names of those who voted for them. And those people will not be able to deny it however unwelcome, even abhorrent, that party's actions.

(Of course, they could say they didn't mean to support those actions. They might even mean it. But it was their votes that supported the party.)

In the days after the 2016 referendum, we saw considerable numbers of people quoted as saying they only wanted to register a protest. They don't really want to leave. Bad mistake.

 

[oldgroaner]

I think you are missing the elephant in room now OG. Assume Art50 was rescinded, Brexit cancelled, exactly who then wins next, probably forced, GE.
Cancelling Brexit would now solve nothing. It would leave country equally split and MPs not having a clue how and what to canvass on.
Lets face it OG whatever decision, which couldnt be made anyway, is made (yes its a contradiction) wouldnt solve our constitutional problem now.
Pandoras box was opened, these idiots, any of them, cant close it.

It will close itself just as rapidly as it blew up
You can't have a Constitutional problem where you don't have a Constitution.
What will happen is that it's likely May's deal will go through, Boris will be prime minister and we will stagger along till the next farce, And people will start to understand we left so Brexit is dead and buried.

 

[daveboy]

If someone votes for a party without a manifesto, then whatever that party does they will claim to do in the names of those who voted for them. And those people will not be able to deny it however unwelcome, even abhorrent, that party's actions.

(Of course, they could say they didn't mean to support those actions. They might even mean it. But it was their votes that supported the party.)

In the days after the 2016 referendum, we saw considerable numbers of people quoted as saying they only wanted to register a protest. They don't really want to leave. Bad mistake.

it has already been pointed out if the Brexit MEP's get what they want the result will be irrelevant , they will be out if a job.

 

[oyster]

When Theresa May became PM, it was after DC advised the Queen to appoint the former Home Secretary in his place.

The Queen then requested Theresa May to form a new Administration.

What would have happened if DC had NOT advised the Queen to appoint TM? More to the point, what if TM does not advise the Queen to appoint BJ (assuming he won whatever internal tory party competition is run)?

If TM believed that BJ could not form a government, what then? Given the strong antipathy towards him by quite a number of his own party, that does seem a feasible situation. As I understand, the Queen would at that point be able to select anyone else who thought could form a government. What if TM advised that someone else should be invited to form a government?