Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

So what?

Quite.

We have not seen more than 50% of either the electorate or the population vote to leave.

 

[flecc]

It has been said that the no deal "law" is so badly written that it would not stand up to close strutiny.
What is a deal in this context ? if we agree to let the EU sell it's cars tariff free and we do the same is that a "deal" how big a trade deal do we need?

You are mixing up two different things

The deal in question is the terms of leaving the EU, a political settlement.

The sale of cars is not a part of that, it's something to be discussed in the trade talks once we have a deal on departure.

This order of the talks was agreed long ago in phase one of the negotiations.

As for what a departure deal is, it's an agreement with political substance. There is no such thing as No Deal, because no deal is an absence of something, not something tangible.
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[flecc]

17,410,742 people thought otherwise.

They did otherwise, I don't think much thought came into it.
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[OxygenJames]

and 20 ERG MPs sell their party to Mr Farage.
For what? do you think the EU will remove the NI backstop for BJ?

BJ is now largely an irrelevance. As are the Torys. We are in unchartered waters.

 

[OxygenJames]

So what?

So you were out-voted.

Next.

 

[OxygenJames]

Child. You are simply throwing a tantrum because you have no idea what you want, how to get it if you did know what you wanted, or what the consequences would be.

I didn't think you'd like that one.

 

[OxygenJames]

They did otherwise, I don't think much thought came into it.

IYHO.

 

[daveboy]

You are mixing up two different things

The deal in question is the terms of leaving the EU, a political settlement.

The sale of cars is not a part of that, it's something to be discussed in the trade talks once we have a deal on departure.

This order of the talks was agreed long ago in phase one of the negotiations.

As for what a departure deal is, it's an agreement with political substance. There is no such thing as No Deal, because no deal is an absence of something, not something tangible.
.

So do you think the "no deal Law" is badly written? You must do if you think their is no such thing as a no deal.

 

[OxygenJames]

And back to square one - you might want to check to look back and find the referendum was advisory thanks to David Davies - and again thanks to Gina Miller who got it through the High Court so that Parliament had to decide not just government on its own - so in some ways the process of Brexit, through the intervention High Court and Parliament by MPs with foresight, we have wrested back control from the Government ;-)

Yes I know. All you so-called clever people managed to strip away the childlike simplicity of it. The meek shall inherit the earth. Good old Jesus. He knew a thing or two.

 

[OxygenJames]

And to prosecute the villains who corrupted the referendum and run it again?

That would be integrity

Don't tell me. The Russians! Ha. You really are a card sometimes.

 

[OxygenJames]

Quite.

We have not seen more than 50% of either the electorate or the population vote to leave.

But we did see over 50% of those that did vote voting leave.

And that's all we had to achieve.

One vote - one simple vote would have been enough.

As it was we got how many million over the finishing line? Lots.

Face it.

You lost.

Plain and simple.

It was a street fight - and you lost.

 

[OxygenJames]

You are correct, but since Brexit has not been properly defined,and is a movable feast, it is impossible to know when you have it.

I'd know.

 

[OxygenJames]

a large number of voters do not know which parties support brexit and which not.
Only 37% know that the conservative party supports brexit against Labour 17%. 5% thought the LibDems are pro brexit!

Yup. You're right. Democracy is a terrible system. People with almost no brains get the same vote as everybody else. But. It's the best one we've found thus far. And woe-betide anybody that f***s with it.

 

[flecc]

So do you think the "no deal Law" is badly written? You must do if you think their is no such thing as a no deal.

No. If there is no such thing as No Deal, there is no such thing as No Deal law. It's just a conceit, akin to religious belief.
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[Woosh]

You lost.

Plain and simple.

No, David Cameron lost to Farage and BJ in 2016.
Now TM is losing the same bet to the same players.
They have superior strategy. If you want to win, you have to be more populist than the other guys.
Whichever way you look at it, the players lose only their game, the country has lost a fair bit in the last 2 1/2 years.

 

[OxygenJames]

Of course, showing what a bunch of idiots they are.

Well let them have their leader and you go off with Roy and form your own party. Because that is the way THAT game is set up.

People who voted 'remain' seem to struggle with sticking to the structure of the game being played. Any game - not just the Brexit one. Obviously promises and agreements matter less to them. They will scream and shout and say otherwise - but the facts are right there for anybody with the eyes to see them.

Cue red crosses and downward thumbs below.

 

[oyster]

We are in unchartered waters.

Not only have they not been made available by lease or hire, there are also no charts.

 

[oyster]

You lost.

We ALL lost.

 

[OxygenJames]

Child. You are simply throwing a tantrum because you have no idea what you want, how to get it if you did know what you wanted, or what the consequences would be.

Saying a bad idea three times in a row does not miraculously turn it into a good idea.

 

[oyster]

Saying a bad idea three times in a row does not miraculously turn it into a good idea.

Unless you are hunting....

``Just the place for a Snark!'' the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.

``Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true.''