Of course, showing what a bunch of idiots they are.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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You're very confused James. One moment you're obviously in favour as you tell me the Tory faithful will elect a popular failure like BJ in preference to a really capable person.
Now you're disapproving the same masses on the other side praising another popular person you deem a failure.
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It has been said that the no deal "law" is so badly written that it would not stand up to close strutiny.
What is a deal in this context ? if we agree to let the EU sell it's cars tariff free and we do the same is that a "deal" how big a trade deal do we need?
you can watch Rory Stewart on his idea of brexit on Marr's show right now.
He wants parliament to rule out no deal and second referendum, lock 635 MPs in a room until they agree a workable deal.
that's the nub of the brexit conundrum.
Brexit can only be delivered by the conservative membership, not by parliament, not even by conservative MPs.
As soon as BJ is PM, he will be forced by parliament to have another GE.
I guess if you offer to people a chance to vote: remain with BJ or kick BJ out, people are going to kick BJ out.
What happens to brexit then?
A Perfect example of Orwellian double-speak.
I did not vote for 'Brexit with a deal'. I voted for Brexit. There was nothing on the voting paper about any 'deals'.
you can't deliver brexit by yourself, can you?
you need parliament for that. Now if you don't like what parliament has decided (ruled out no deal and second referendum), you know you need a fresh vote.
I'm not sure it really matters at all what the Conservatives vote for anymore.
You are correct, but since Brexit has not been properly defined,and is a movable feast, it is impossible to know when you have it.
the fact is there if you want to see it: only 10% of conservative MPs stopped brexit and they are members of the ERG.
TM lost by 58 votes. If 10 DUP and 20 ERG MPs changed their vote to supporting her, you would have got brexit now.
The ERG stopped the brexit they don't want and split your party.
What would you say if you were in the 90% of conservative MPs about those responsible for splitting your party?
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No but floating in the aether at the time was that any number of "deals " would be sorted out in seconds. This was of course to make the unknowable patable to the uninformed.
The Guardian has a headline:
Labor begins election defeat postmortem with internal blame game
Only the spelling made me realise it was Australia. After all, it is not unusual for parties to start their PM's before the inevitable "defeat".
Labor begins election defeat postmortem with internal blame game
Only the spelling made me realise it was Australia. After all, it is not unusual for parties to start their PM's before the inevitable "defeat".
Quite the opposite. Rory answered every question put to him by Marr, immediately, calmly, positively, coherently and sensibly. As his record shows, he is someone who could and would make progress, breaking the deadlock.
I'm sure I don't need to remind you what interviews with Boris Johnson are like.
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