Brexit, for once some facts.

Wicky

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The only happenance of 'Strong & stable' and ''Taking back control' occuring around the Government from Bercow - must be a shock to the sytem to the Tories witnessing it!

Maybe he'd be a better Tory party leader than the muppet contendors lining up ;-)


Edit: Election results: Ukip's Nigel Farage finishes behind John Bercow and Flipper

Farage wanted to overturn the Speaker who had enraged the electorate by flipping his second home, but in the end he himself was flipped by a candidate dressed as a dolphin

Now I understand why Farage hates Bercow and cute Dolphins with a vengeance.
 
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oldgroaner

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Your thinking and aspirations are old fashioned.

It can work. And it can work easily. Without getting back into remainers mind sets I would just say you are thinking in 20th century beliefs.

As in everything is perfect now why change it?

Because we can. We can make it better.
Who's this we Fingers? are you saying because we are remainers we aren't forward thinking?
 
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If some of the indicative vote options today had included an extra phrase: "and have Boris Johnson as PM", just how many would have voted for them?
 
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oldgroaner

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Costs would be met by consumers.

It's quid pro quo. Sure people that live in areas of low usage would struggle. Like Internet in the olden days. But money talks. Providers want to sell if people want to buy.
It's not inventing the wheel. The infrastructure is already there.

And remember. Its not every lamppost. One in five would suffice.
Not listening are you? too many snags for this to be viable
 
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I agree that this can be done but twice you have said it would be easy, it wouldn't.
It would require replacement of most of our urban street lighting infrastucture.

Apart from the supply capacity problems which other posters have mentioned most lighting columns are installed at the back of the footway so there would have to be system to handle charging cables and keep them clear of the footway.
Many street lighting installations are fed by a switch wire which is only energised when the lights are required, being controlled by photo cell or timer. If you want the ability to charge 24/7 then the lights will also be on 24/7, the alternative is to dig up the streets to rewire the network. All of this can be done but it not easy.
I can understand that as someone in the creative sector you will have some great ideas but without an ounce of practicality.
In my many years' experience in civil engineering (including street lighting installation) such people couldn't be trusted to put a nut in a monkey's mouth.

I can barely screw in a light bulb tbf.

But anyway. Going to the moon was hard. Creating colour TV was hard. The Panama canal was a bit testing too.

On the scale of things human beings have achieved.

This is easy. Trust me.
 
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Vodafone is the only one you can do without using an App. We tried others that you had to go through an app - nothing like what I'd call 'normal' functionality.

'Three' for example - you have to use their app and its fiddly. With the Vodafone one the phone works completely normally picking up a signal thats boosted by the 'sure-signal' box.
I have been using 3 for wifi calls for so long I had forgotten that an app was required! It just works - certainly not fiddly.
 

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I can barely screw in a light bulb tbf.

But anyway. Going to the moon was hard. Creating colour TV was hard. The Panama canal was a bit testing too.

On the scale of things human beings have achieved.

This is easy. Trust me.
It's the last bit you keep getting wrong, it is not easy. Possible certainly, but economically not when we can't even deal with basic safety essentials like potholes. The state of so many roads is now unbelievably bad, necessitating swerving all over the road to miss them even on some through routes.

Luxuries like charge point cabling etc. will always take second place to essentials, especially since there's little money in it as some charge point providers are discovering now.
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The only logical place to put charging points are places like Supermarkets, park and ride and other car parks, homes where acess makes this possible, and specialist Garages
Expense rules out nonsense schemes like lamposts
I can barely screw in a light bulb tbf.

But anyway. Going to the moon was hard. Creating colour TV was hard. The Panama canal was a bit testing too.

On the scale of things human beings have achieved.

This is easy. Trust me.
When you know how to actually do things, we may, till then leave them to the people who actually make things happen
Engineers dreams come with drawings, parts list and patents and some hard work.
 

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Modest proposal as New PM - a human being > Jacinda Ardern

Fly her her in, brexit immigration rules permitting

"The ERG say there was an enormous standing ovation for Steve Baker ( Deputy Chair and Whip of the European Research Group) who spoke at the 1922 Committee meeting this evening.

Mr Baker was hugged by Jacob Rees-Mogg and others at the top table.

"There is no way enough votes are coming out of that room to put the withdrawal agreement through," a spokesperson for the ERG said.

Mr Baker told fellow ERG members that he's "consumed with a ferocious rage after that pantomime"."

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Meanwhile, reflecting on the moment that Mrs May broke the news to MPs, George Freeman told the BBC: "It was a very sad moment. She has devoted her life to public service.

Mr Freeman - the PM's former policy adviser - added: "She - with tears not far from her eyes - said: 'Tonight this is a moment I promised I would deliver the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

"'I have made many mistakes. I am only human. I beg you, colleagues, vote for the withdrawal agreement and I will go'."

He added: "There was silence in the room and it was incredibly sad."
 
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So you know differently do you?
"The MPC member said the UK was underperforming due to Brexit uncertainty and that the economy had lost two per cent of GDP relative to a scenario in which Britain did not choose to leave the EU. It equated to £40bn a year or £800m a week, he said "

Well. He said did he? An economist at the B of E said it. It must be true.

You're a fool OG. A gullible fool.
 

oldgroaner

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Oh Dear oh Dear
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Tusk says EU cannot betray 6m people who signed petition to revoke Article 50 — if there’s an extension, Brits have the right to representation in the European Parliament.
 
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oldgroaner

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"The MPC member said the UK was underperforming due to Brexit uncertainty and that the economy had lost two per cent of GDP relative to a scenario in which Britain did not choose to leave the EU. It equated to £40bn a year or £800m a week, he said "

Well. He said did he? An economist at the B of E said it. It must be true.

You're a fool OG. A gullible fool.
Because a fool tells me so? and works on behalf of right wing interests?
And you know better than the Bank of England too and acuse them of lying.

How modest of you, how arrogant.

As we say in Yorkshire
"If your brains were dynamite they wouldn't blow your hat off!" ;)
 
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oldgroaner

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Modest proposal as New PM - a human being > Jacinda Ardern

Fly her her in, brexit immigration rules permitting

"The ERG say there was an enormous standing ovation for Steve Baker ( Deputy Chair and Whip of the European Research Group) who spoke at the 1922 Committee meeting this evening.

Mr Baker was hugged by Jacob Rees-Mogg and others at the top table.

"There is no way enough votes are coming out of that room to put the withdrawal agreement through," a spokesperson for the ERG said.

Mr Baker told fellow ERG members that he's "consumed with a ferocious rage after that pantomime"."

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Meanwhile, reflecting on the moment that Mrs May broke the news to MPs, George Freeman told the BBC: "It was a very sad moment. She has devoted her life to public service.

Mr Freeman - the PM's former policy adviser - added: "She - with tears not far from her eyes - said: 'Tonight this is a moment I promised I would deliver the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

"'I have made many mistakes. I am only human. I beg you, colleagues, vote for the withdrawal agreement and I will go'."

He added: "There was silence in the room and it was incredibly sad."
If you cast your minds back a few days I did forecast she would fall back on the old Navaho Indian trick of Screaming and Begging. ;)
 

oldgroaner

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Agree 100% its a massive shame there were not more MPs from an engineering background in Government, perhaps then we would not have had to go through the last three years of the Brexit fiasco.
"Give us the job and we'll finish the tools!" (sorry about that, but someone had to say it.):cool:
 
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"The MPC member said the UK was underperforming due to Brexit uncertainty and that the economy had lost two per cent of GDP relative to a scenario in which Britain did not choose to leave the EU. It equated to £40bn a year or £800m a week, he said "

Well. He said did he? An economist at the B of E said it. It must be true.

You're a fool OG. A gullible fool.

I don't read his nonsense anymore. And honestly Jim it's a better forum for it.

But yes I agree with your sentiment.
 
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