Brexit, for once some facts.
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So naturally they will start making electric cars here instead?
No, because Japan has a trade deal with the EU
If Brexit had never happened they would have been happy to save transport costs by continuing to produce here.
But then that's inconvenient from your point of view so you won't believe it
You really live in a world of make believe.
You just spout negativity.
It's so boring. I barely read anything of yours over 3 sentences long. Its the same defeatist, boring, depressing drivel Ad nauseam.
I just tune you out for a few days take a look again and guess what? It's the same ****. If its not being rude, posting off topic or negative it's not you.
Because you are incapable of reading more than three sentences?
And you are the last person when it comes to posting on topic.
Surely there must be some normal people out there that voted leave, on that basis I guess we were just unlucky with what washed up on here.
And what have you actually contributed? nothing whatsoever to indicate leaving the EU is a good idea, just the usual right wing propaganda and wishful thinking.
Who is going to make your Brexit fantasy work?
Lets have some names and the plans they have eh?
I think it’s the zero tariff deal on cars that the EU (Germany) has struck with Japan that has done a lot of damage to the U.K. With zero tariffs, the reason to continuing production in the U.K. diminishes. So not entirely Brexit related, but it could be an aggregating factor.
Germany is the winner. I imagine they can now shift their cars into Japan tariff free, so in affect the EU has binned the U.K. off in order to look after the German car industry. I think they would have done that, Brexit or no Brexit.
I don't agree, despite the Honda announcement. Firstly the tariffs are not ceasing now, they are going to be gradually phased down over time.
So in effect it's being said that Honda are volunteering to pay tariffs for a while and also permanently bear the high cost of shipping from Japan for no reason whatsoever, rather than continuing here in a successful plant that already exists.
Of course that is rubbish, Brexit is undoubtedly a major factor, just as it was for Nissan's model cancellation, JLR's stoppage of investment and the huge bribe we've just given Toyota to continue to make their compact family car here.
Here is the real truth. Since the Brexit vote we've had an ever increasing number of cancellations of investments, moves of staffs, offices, product manufacturing and factories into mainland EU, these becoming ever more serious.
But in the decade before the referendum there were almost none of these. The cause is blindingly obvious.
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Why would the EU be making new arrangements to support UK industry?. Had the UK remained in the EU they would be on the inside and their interests would be protected.
When a company has to decide about changes such as new models, it forces a decision. Without the need to make any changes at all, they might just have sat it out and taken decisions in the light of their experiences. As soon as they have to switch to hybrid, introduce new models, etc., they have to make that decision in the extraordinarily uncertain - but currently extremely dismal - prospect of brexit. Which way those decisions go is almost 100% predictable and not to our benefit.
brexit. The Impossible Dream.
True, but Honda already make a hybrid thats been around as long as Toyota's Prius, plus a CRV hybrid crossover.
There's far too much emphasis being placed on the switch to electric, both in this thread and the outside world. It really is peanuts at the moment and will take many years to get really big.
Last year was a new record for e-car sales in the UK with 15,000 cars sold. That's under 1% of our car sales. And plug-in hybrids sold some 40,000, some 3% of all our car sales.
The market is still almost entirely petrol and diesel with some limited drift towards petrol. The car Honda make at Swindon is petrol only, therefore suited to the great majority of the market and the drop in diesel sales and rise of electric sales irrelevant to them.
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My mention of hybrid or electric was really just as an example. Honda might just want to introduce new models for marketing. Or they want to double or half their capacity. Anything that would cause an upheaval and give reason to re-evaluate and re-engineer.
I would like a leaf or equivalent, however it just won't work for me. Every so often ,I leave the homely comforts of the Dundalk region and then scoot down to Rosslare or Cork 170+ miles away . Get on a ferry and land in Brittany. There I have another 3 to 5 hour journey 160 to 250 miles , A tank of diesel is good to get me nearly there and back.
Why not fly and rent a car?. Well rented cars don't have tow hitches, and bringing garden debris without a trailer???l.
Why would you bring your garden debris to France? If you must fly tip and least do it in your own country.
Yes, your clearly not suited for an e-car at present, in fact it always annoys me when I hear of those who've bought one and are complaining about lack of range or long charge times.
To me if it doesn't suit, don't buy.
Batteries are getting bigger, this July there's going to be an e-plus version of my Leaf with a battery over 50% larger and increased power with a 220 mile true summer range. But the catch is that the prices also get larger. Mine is now about £27,000, but the e-plus will be circa £37,000 for what is otherwise the same car.
And there's another problem with bigger batteries, longer charge times on rapid chargers when on the road. The most common rapid charger topped up the original 24 kWh Leaf to the 80% rapid limit in 30 minutes. The later 30 kWh model takes 40 minutes and my 40 kWh some 50 minutes.
The e-plus will take about 1 hour 20 minutes, hardly rapid when on the road and hanging about for it. And of course those rapid charges to 80% mean only 80% of the range added. Faster rapid chargers are intended, but of course it will take years to upgrade them all.
All in all my opinion is that only those whose round trips are within the single charge range of the e-car being considered should buy one. That way it's all the benefits with none of the considerable hassle so often associated with charging during trips.
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I am of course referring to the debris from my chateau.
Is there any rational reason for making that post, or is it a cry for help?