Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Let's not be so hasty to assume that because she (Begum) surrendered to the SDF that she is ISIS fighter.

Again how many times, she specifically went to join ISIS, and did, and has admitted it.

Perhaps you don't remember the fuss about the terrorism act at the time, due to its all encompassing nature. Basically any action that shows support for a terrrorist or proscribed organisation indicates guilt. Even giving online support of any kind is illegal. How much greater support can there be than going to become a terrorist's bride and bearing a child by him?
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[Woosh]

Again how many times, she specifically went to join ISIS, and did, and has admitted it.

Perhaps you don't remember the fuss about the terrorism act at the time, due to its all encompassing nature. Basically any action that shows support for a terrrorist or proscribed organisation indicates guilt. Even giving online support of any kind is illegal. How much greater support can there be than going to become a terrorist's bride and bearing a child by him?
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more than 400 presumed ISIS supporters have come back.
can you give me any example of an ISIS bride being successfully prosecuted?

 

[Fingers]

let's wait and see who is right. It won't be long before Begum comes back here in police custody.

https://www.ft.com/content/157c8e12-3053-11e9-8744-e7016697f225

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It is not a crime, in the UK, to marry an Isis fighter, or travel to the caliphate. The Australians have made it a crime to travel to certain regions, but a similar provision in the UK is only just about to become law. It is a crime to have aided and abetted a proscribed terrorist organisation. But sentences for that have been far too short to reflect what is arguably Ms Begum’s betrayal of her country by helping its enemies.

No no. I said a member of isis. She was a member of isis.

She tried to recruit people for isis. I’m not sure if that is common knowledge but it’s true. That my friend is a crime.

She was a member of isis. Forget bride of isis. That rule is there for the poor desperate women of the Yazidi. Bought and sold as ‘brides’

This one is a card carrying member.

 

[flecc]

can you give me any example of an ISIS bride being successfully prosecuted?

Irrelevent, there's a first for everything and she is clearly guilty of an offence under the terrrorism act on her own evidence.

Regardless of the minutiae and the bleeding hearts on this subject, I believe we'd be idiots to accept her back and show still more weakness to these Islamic extremists. They only deserve the level of compassion they show to others, which is none whatsover.
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[Fingers]

more than 400 presumed ISIS supporters have come back.
can you give me any example of an ISIS bride being successfully prosecuted?

Most of them are dead. There was one who did time but was reprogrammed.

This was in the daily mail though.

To my knowledge I know of hardly anyone returning back as a bride.

Don’t forget. The official record says we had 850 join isis.

If more than 15 were women I’d be surprised.

 

[Woosh]

No no. I said a member of isis. She was a member of isis.

She tried to recruit people for isis. I’m not sure if that is common knowledge but it’s true. That my friend is a crime.

She was a member of isis. Forget bride of isis. That rule is there for the poor desperate women of the Yazidi. Bought and sold as ‘brides’

This one is a card carrying member.

I've just heard on BBC News at 10 that her lawyer welcomes police investigation into her actions.
if she is as you said card carrying member, then her sentence can be 10+ years in detention.

 

[Fingers]

I've just heard on BBC News at 10 that her lawyer welcomes police investigation into her actions.
if she is as you said card carrying member, then her sentence can be 10+ years in detention.

That’s all she wants.

She wants out of the death camp at any cost.

I’m not sure if this factoid is common knowledge but over 40 babies have died since late January at that camp. Some were dead on arrival.

I’m not trying to be supercilious on this but I was working on the story yesterday. I was privy to quite a bit of info. The camp is crawling with isis. As I said, the ones still niqabed up are isis. Your one has taken off the veil to get home.

But that’s it.

She said to the reporter that the ones who she saw dead were either spies or media. When the reporter said he was media.

She went silent.....

She maybe brainwashed. But it’s a brainwashing she believes in.

 

[Fingers]

Irrelevent, there's a first for everything and she is clearly guilty of an offence under the terrrorism act on her own evidence.

Regardless of the minutiae and the bleeding hearts on this subject, I believe we'd be idiots to accept her back and show still more weakness to these Islamic extremists. They only deserve the level of compassion they show to others, which is none whatsover.
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See this is where we differ.

I abhor the fact we have to let this scum back but we may have to.

If we have a clever government...yes I know....it could be used as good propaganda. Played correctly.

I also hope a deal could be made where a Muslim country takes her to rot for money. Bangladesh is a real possibility. Then we wash our hands of her that way.

But worst case we do have to take her. It’s the law.

 

[Woosh]

That’s all she wants.

She wants out of the death camp at any cost.

I’m not sure if this factoid is common knowledge but over 40 babies have died since late January at that camp. Some were dead on arrival.

I’m not trying to be supercilious on this but I was working on the story yesterday. I was privy to quite a bit of info. The camp is crawling with isis. As I said, the ones still niqabed up are isis. Your one has taken off the veil to get home.

But that’s it.

She said to the reporter that the ones who she saw dead were either spies or media. When the reporter said he was media.

She went silent.....

She maybe brainwashed. But it’s a brainwashing she believes in.

there are thousands of similar cases, those who take off the niqab to get home, but her case has to be dealt with here,
I agree if we could pay Bengladesh to take her, it would suit everyone.

 

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there are thousands of similar cases, those who take off the niqab to get home, but her case has to be dealt with here,
I agree if we could pay Bengladesh to take her, it would suit everyone.

I’m not sure what you mean by similar?

Believe me, any woman that travelled to join isis that wasn’t from a western country is probably better staying to rot in the death camp.

There really wasn’t thousands of western Muslim woman who rallied to the call of jihad.

It’s in its hundreds.

The poor women swept up by dent of geography is different of course. But you can’t conflate the two.

 

[Woosh]

There really wasn’t thousands of western Muslim woman who rallied to the call of jihad.

It’s in its hundreds.

common problem in France, Belgium, Netherlands etc. thousands of ISIS fighters have come back. The EU has issued a directive in 2017 to standardise the definition and response to those who returned.
Basically, Begum would be candidate for EU sponsored deradicalisation program. I doubt that she would even go to jail.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2018/621811/EPRS_STU(2018)621811_EN.pdf

 

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It's up to the courts to decide whether or not she's guilty, they will make a decision based on facts many of which we won't be aware of right now. All we're hearing about her is speculation from the media most of which could well be fake news judging by their recent performance.

Even JRM and DD are saying that she has to be allowed back into this country under international law and they're hardly the keenest to see people coming into the country are they.

In my mind the big issue is the logistics of how she can travel back to the UK.

 

[Fingers]

common problem in France, Belgium, Netherlands etc. thousands of ISIS fighters have come back. The EU has issued a directive in 2017 to standardise the definition and response to those who returned.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2018/621811/EPRS_STU(2018)621811_EN.pdf

Yeah man.

Netherlands not so much but I was shocked how infiltrated Belgium had become. (As in Netherlands isn’t so bad atm despite what Gilders said) but Belgium...wow.

France pretends it’s not happening. But they know it’s in the post. Macron is like Blair. This shiny new emperor. Although the French will see through him quicker than we did Blair.

But again. It’s not thousands. You make it seem like it’s a reverse crusade. It’s bad. But it’s not irreversible

 

[Woosh]

But again. It’s not thousands. You make it seem like it’s a reverse crusade. It’s bad. But it’s not irreversible

that EU study I link to estimated about 4,500.
Isis collapsed partly because many EU Jihadis come home.

 

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that EU study I link to estimated about 4,500.
Isis collapsed partly because many EU Jihadis come home.

Yeah of course.

850 from us 1200 from France 800 from Germany.

It all adds up.

But believe me. It wasn’t because they came home isis collapsed.

It was because of the Kurds.

 

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Hey @tommie whats funny is rocky 4 is on itv now.

‘If she dies she dies’

 

[Fingers]

It's up to the courts to decide whether or not she's guilty, they will make a decision based on facts many of which we won't be aware of right now. All we're hearing about her is speculation from the media most of which could well be fake news judging by their recent performance.

Even JRM and DD are saying that she has to be allowed back into this country under international law and they're hardly the keenest to see people coming into the country are they.

In my mind the big issue is the logistics of how she can travel back to the UK.

You really are an idiot.

What’s that saying about keep your mouth shut?

At least then they can’t confirm you’re an idiot.

Well you my friend are an idiot.

 

[Danidl]

That is ridiculous. Begum left to join ISIS, did join ISIS and was captured with ISIS.

That is more than enough to offer an opinion on her treatment and the Home Secretary agreed today that her return is not in any way certain, repeating his resolve not to put our citizens at risk.
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It is actually a serious question. Courts need evidence, otherwise they are kangaroo courts.

 

[Deleted member 128]

You really are an idiot.

What’s that saying about keep your mouth shut?

At least then they can’t confirm you’re an idiot.

Well you my friend are an idiot.

Was it something I said, you sound VERY annoyed about something?

 

[Fingers]

Was it something I said, you sound VERY annoyed about something?

Not at all.


You plough your own furrow.

I think folk can see what you are.

I’m embarrassed for you.