Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

I'm not just media savvy. I am the media.

I knew all of these facts and more.

So why did you get the joke wrong?

Bit of give away don't you think?

"I am the media?" no wonder the world is going to the dogs, if that that's true!
For someone who claims himself to be "the media" your means of expression , apart from sarcasm is very short on facts.

 

[oldgroaner]

Time is certainly running out for a Brexit decision

"The EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive is due to come into force in the UK on 1st April 2019. If we leave the EU on 29th March a number of people, including Rees-Mogg and Theresa May’s husband, stand to save themselves a fortune. "

 

[flecc]

That's an important point. ie - that law was not in place at the time and therefore does not apply in her case.

As I've shown just after your post, the necessary parts of the law were fully in place in 2014, Begum left for Syria to join IS in 2015.

Woosh was trying to claim it was about going to Syria. It wasn't, it was about joining a proscribed terrrorist organisation which was illegal then and still is.
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[Fingers]

So why did you get the joke wrong?

Bit of give away don't you think?

"I am the media?" no wonder the world is going to the dogs, if that that's true!
For someone who claims himself to be "the media" your means of expression , apart from sarcasm is very short on facts.

You didn’t understand the joke because of your condition.

Not my fault.

 

[50Hertz]

Time is certainly running out for a Brexit decision

"The EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive is due to come into force in the UK on 1st April 2019. If we leave the EU on 29th March a number of people, including Theresa May’s husband

How queer!

 

[flecc]

How does one join such an organisation?. Does one fill out an application form,which is then countersigned? , does it involve standing in naked feet and kissing a dead turkey ..ala the thin blue line, ?. At what stage is one a full member?, and affiliate?, a probationer,? Can one join any organisation when you are still a child?. These are questions for a court,not a selection of superannuated folk with the leisure to pontificate on a Saturday afternoon, when there is no six nations rugby.

That is ridiculous. Begum left to join ISIS, did join ISIS and was captured with ISIS.

That is more than enough to offer an opinion on her treatment and the Home Secretary agreed today that her return is not in any way certain, repeating his resolve not to put our citizens at risk.
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[Woosh]

This is not about going to live in Syria, it's about joining proscribed terrrorist organisations.

what is the evidence?
I asked in an earlier post, did she join the ranks of ISIS fighters or did she make a propaganda video?
Go to live in Syria is not the same as joining the ranks of fighters. Part of the territory of Syria was occupied, people who lived there weren't terrorists.
The new law, entering in force this week, forbids expressly UK citizens to live in designated area such as zones still occupied by ISIS.

 

[tommie]

what is the evidence?
I asked in an earlier post, did she join the ranks of ISIS fighters or did she make a propaganda video?
Go to live in Syria is not the same as joining the ranks of fighters. Part of the territory of Syria was occupied, people who lived there weren't terrorists.
The new law, entering in force this week, forbids expressly UK citizens to live in designated area such as zones still occupied by ISIS.

^ If ever there was a case of defending the indefensible ....

dear o dear Woosh you`re not doing yourself any favours this evening.

 

[Woosh]

^ If ever there was a case of defending the indefensible ....

dear o dear Woosh you`re not doing yourself any favours this evening.

I would rather wait for the evidence than jumping hastily into conclusion.

 

[tommie]

I would rather wait for the evidence than jumping hastily into conclusion.

Lets start here then ...

`In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

and her husband, quiet type, pillar of society i suppose??...

Riedijk, 26, a convert to Islam who grew up in a middle-class family home in Arnhem, is suspected by police of being involved in a terrorist plot in the Netherlands. He was convicted in his absence last year of membership of a terrorist group.

 

[Fingers]

Lets start here then ...

`In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

and her husband, quiet type, pillar of society i suppose??...

Riedijk, 26, a convert to Islam who grew up in a middle-class family home in Arnhem, is suspected by police of being involved in a terrorist plot in the Netherlands. He was convicted in his absence last year of membership of a terrorist group.

Let’s not forget her dad was bezzies with Lee Rigbys killers as well.

But no. Whoosh is right. The girl is innocent. We should pay her to come back and live amongst us.

 

[Woosh]

But no. Whoosh is right. The girl is innocent. We should pay her to come back and live amongst us.

I did not say anything about her guilt, I think she has the right to come back and give birth to her son or daughter here.
The evidence about her guilt will be established in good time. If she is found guilty, she'll go to jail.
There is no need to get het up about that.
Being an 'ISIS bride' does not break any law.

 

[oyster]

Well f*** the Muslim population of that area. It's not up to them. They live by the laws of the land like the rest of us.

Of course it is up to them whether they welcome her back.

It is up to you, me, and every other individual how much welcome we extend to her.

That she might want to be here, have a legal right to be here, and so on, does not force anyone to be pleased. We still have the right to have an opinion. Which could go either way. It is when that opinion turns into action that it possibly becomes illegal.

 

[flecc]

what is the evidence?
I asked in an earlier post, did she join the ranks of ISIS fighters or did she make a propaganda video?
Go to live in Syria is not the same as joining the ranks of fighters. Part of the territory of Syria was occupied, people who lived there weren't terrorists.
The new law, entering in force this week, forbids expressly UK citizens to live in designated area such as zones still occupied by ISIS.

The evidence is in this post and in what she has admitted herself

To repeat, she left with others to specifically join ISIS, she did join ISIS, she was captured with ISIS. She has said she supports them.

The law forbiding that was completed in 2014, she left to do that in 2015.

The new act is completely irrelevant to her case, it only exists to catch those exploiting the loophole of no evidence of joining a terrorist organisation. Begum's evidence of guilt is obvious and self admitted.
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[flecc]

Being an 'ISIS bride' does not break any law.

How many times must you be shown? Yes it does.
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[Woosh]

Lets start here then ...

`In an interview with the Times, Shamima Begum, now 19, talked about seeing "beheaded heads" in bins - but said that it "did not faze her".

and her husband, quiet type, pillar of society i suppose??...

Riedijk, 26, a convert to Islam who grew up in a middle-class family home in Arnhem, is suspected by police of being involved in a terrorist plot in the Netherlands. He was convicted in his absence last year of membership of a terrorist group.

I already replied to this type of association.
it's up to the law court to decide if she was involved in any atrocities,
her unborn child has rights too.

 

[Woosh]

The evidence is in this post and in what she has admitted herself

To repeat, she left with others to specifically join ISIS, she did join ISIS, she was captured with ISIS. She has said she supports them.

The law forbiding that was completed in 2014, she left to do that in 2015.

The new act is completely irrelevant to her case, it only exists to catch those exploiting the loophole of no evidence of joining a terrorist organisation. Begum's evidence of guilt is obvious and self admitted.
.

do you remember a few of us jumped to conclusion about the source of Novichok not so long ago?
Let's not be so hasty to assume that because she (Begum) surrendered to the SDF that she is ISIS fighter.

 

[Woosh]

How many times must you be shown? Yes it does.
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no, it does not. Quote the law to me if you like.
There is no legal term for 'ISIS bride' as far as I am aware.

 

[Fingers]

I did not say anything about her guilt, I think she has the right to come back and give birth to her son or daughter here.
The evidence about her guilt will be established in good time. If she is found guilty, she'll go to jail.
There is no need to get het up about that.
Being an 'ISIS bride' does not break any law.

Err yeah it does a break a law. The law of being a member of ISIS.

Apparently her mother has a Bangladeshi passport.

Maybe we can bung them a hundred k to look after this sweet, innocent girl? Have to get a move on though as those camps are death zones.

Btw. A clue to if the ones fleeing from the isis area are members of isis.

The ones escaping take off the niqab. The ones fleeing the Kurds keep them on.

 

[Woosh]

Btw. A clue to if the ones fleeing from the isis area are members of escaping.

The ones escaping take off the niqab. The ones fleeing the Kurds keep them on.

let's wait and see who is right. It won't be long before Begum comes back here in police custody.

https://www.ft.com/content/157c8e12-3053-11e9-8744-e7016697f225

quote:

It is not a crime, in the UK, to marry an Isis fighter, or travel to the caliphate. The Australians have made it a crime to travel to certain regions, but a similar provision in the UK is only just about to become law. It is a crime to have aided and abetted a proscribed terrorist organisation. But sentences for that have been far too short to reflect what is arguably Ms Begum’s betrayal of her country by helping its enemies.