https://www.politico.eu/about-us/ what a diverse bunch of journalists!...
Brexit, for once some facts.
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My only point in this is EU has problems around quite serious issues. Diversity, equal opportunities, race and democratic legitamacy. Its quite blatant yet supporters on here, and ib general, fail to see any of these faults. Yes, no systen is perfect, but to just ignore such obvious failings is to never improve them.
EU election turnout has dropped year in year since 1979 to a low of 42%.
Gender and Ethnic problems within EU officers have not improved, infact with our departure will be worse.
Yet, EU is held up on here as being champion for all. Perhaps if posters accepted these faults the whole debate would be more fruitful.
Whoever is to blame for issues mentioned is totally irrelevant. The EU accept the power given to them, with that should be the responsibility to ensure that power is represented by all groups.
The EU is the least diverse government in the developed world. Its one of newest. Thats wrong.
EU election turnout has dropped year in year since 1979 to a low of 42%.
Gender and Ethnic problems within EU officers have not improved, infact with our departure will be worse.
Yet, EU is held up on here as being champion for all. Perhaps if posters accepted these faults the whole debate would be more fruitful.
Whoever is to blame for issues mentioned is totally irrelevant. The EU accept the power given to them, with that should be the responsibility to ensure that power is represented by all groups.
The EU is the least diverse government in the developed world. Its one of newest. Thats wrong.
The issue isnt just about colour. That group has 6 females, and looks to represent a far wider cross section than EU.
Besides another wrong only goes to prove the point .
The EU should lead by example.
And I should have a good look at the group of journalists. Its obviously not an EU council.
And, here we go again. Cant say fair point. EU should have more diverse backgrounds for its leaders or should improve turn out. Just some infantile comment about colour blind.
Well done.
BTW their accounts manager is Asian.(or Asian descent)
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You've flogged this to death already and it has nothing to do with this thread, why not start another one on the subject?
The EU is Not a Government it does not control who stands for election in member states, why do you persist with this?
We are leaving anyway , so what goes on in an organisation we no longer belong to is of no interest, if it was you should have voted for remain and put pressure on your MEP to demand change, as once outside it we have no influence on the matter whatsoever.
By voting leave you threw away any chance of us influencing a situation you complain about.
Why did you do that?
There are many things of much greater importance to us to discuss, or hadn't you noticed?
No you flecc and AK have.
AK
If MEPs were distributed to same ratio as Politico there would be 350 female MEPs and 50 Asian ones.
No there are not. Its exactly why EU is not working. You and fan boys on here are blind. You refuse to see any fault just as EU does. So status quo remains. The white males of EU such as Junker just carry on.
You call EU democratic with a turnout of 42% overall. (,as low as 16% in some regions) Yet say our government and specifically the referendum are not. Just because it suits you. No objectivity at all.
You call it unimportant that EU lacks democratic legitimacy and leader diversity. And then question why people voted against EU saying they had no real reason to do so.
You dismiss these as arguments against the EU and in doing so simply reinforce leavers reasons for wanting to leave.
The EU has needed to change for years. It has failed to do so.
It should have been a priority to get turn out up by involving people in the mechanisms. The reverse has happened. It has become more disconnected and turn out dropped accordingly.
Thats probably biggest reason we are in this mess now.
EU is intransigent, both in its dealings with May and in the way it has refused to tackle low turn out and MEP/Commisioner diversity.
Folk want out, away from that.
They want a government that both represents them and reflects all their cultural beliefs. The EU does neither. If you dont see that you really are blind.
And this is the very essence of the thread.
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Politico is much less diverse than the French MEPs elected last time around. Read higher up I did the math.
Despite being an old white male I agree with your rant on diversity, we need more. Everywhere. But as long as that tiny group of white male billionaires are pulling all the strings I can't see that happening in the near future. But the EU is gunning for them - fighting tax avoidance and evasion, better distribution of wealth, cheaper education... EU policy is much more forward looking than the policies of many countries of the 27.
Juncker is a tiny insignificant player in the greater scheme of things and his time is up. I don't see why you have put him on a pedestal?
It's a bit rich that you claim dishonesty in others but see nothing wrong in forging posts with my name on your content.
And this latest post is dishonest too, you have posted three times on this subject this morning, trying to prolong the argument.
More of your assumptions you present as facts, neither flecc or I are "Fan Boys"of the EU
This is plain ridiculous
"You dismiss these as arguments against the EU and in doing so simply reinforce leavers reasons for wanting to leave.."
Are you seriously putting forward the notion that the leave vote in the referendum was influenced by large numbers of voters giving two hoots about your pet bee in the bonnet? they neither knew or cared one way or the other.
Trying to claim that the they do care about the level of ethnicity and gender representation is just speculation on your part as it gets no mention in public, and certainly would have if the public gave a damn about it.
It's a figment of your imagination
Then you made a mistake that ruined your argument
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They want a government that both represents them and reflects all their cultural beliefs. The EU does neither. If you dont see that you really are blind.
And this is the very essence of the thread."
The Government wanted to remain and yet had slated the EU for years, so what did the voters do?
They voted out as they wanted to take a stick to the Government that had made them suffer through Austerity, even though that government by your own claim represents a wider ethnic and gender range that you allege the EU does, thus negating your argument.
As usual you have argued yourself into a corner
Now who is the Blind one?
It was just an example. There are plenty of others I agree.
I applaud your previous post, thanks.
It does accept there is an issue. However, I must point out, Frrnch MEPs though they do represent a wider ethnic pattern than most others. (still well behind UK) there is quite a pattern emerging. As it is the extreme right far outweigh (Penn and Son both MEPs) the other end of spectrum. Unfortunately even in France the wider diversity(white female with extreme views) within MEPs has made the real problems worse.
OG, I, ve put you on ignore, and appreciate it if you could reciprocate the blessing.
What you are saying is just fact. It's not sniping. It's not antagonising. It's not trying to score points.
But this argument is so tribal that the EU fan boys cannot accept a single murmuring of dissent. It's very much like the EU itself. It's cult like. And that is what worries me about the future. Despite these misgivings that the EU will do its level best to ruin us with people in this country cheering them on from within the playing area I still want out.
Never could stand bullies.
You crawled back out of your hole to lie and talk BS again? Are you Donald Trump?
Thanks Fingers.
Its incredible that some on here label me a bigot for making points I have. Its the opppsite of bigotry.. Dont get how anybody can not see fault in a democratic system which operates at 42% turnout (One country was 16%) and then elects/appoints people from a single Ethnic background (almost).
Even the EU leaders would say both need to change, but not on here.
Its this refusal to accept there is dire need for change why we must leave.
If folk dont accept change must happen it simply will not.,which is what has happened over last 20 years. Nothing has changed.
You seem to have upset the Kiwi.
Great isnt it, our intolerant nature accepts a kiwi living in France passing judgement on Brexit.. Ironic really. I wonder what his French mates would be saying in his local bar if he was slagging off French.??
As far as racism, equal opportunities and diversity are concerned UK is 50 years infront of anywhere I, ve been in Europe.
Said it before, if you think UK is racist for gods sake stay there. You, ll be gobsmacked in many parts of EU.
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Yes. It all becomes black and white. 'Remainers' are cast in a certain light by 'Brexiters' - and vice versa. The EU painted in one tone by one group - and the opposite tone by the other.
It's mad.
But its the way the human mind works - it creates 'in' and 'out' groups - and rarely moves from one to the other and will argue till its blue in the face that it is right about the way it sees things.
Such is the hell we create for ourselves.