They can choose but are mostly too lazy to do so. As well as voting for a party, they can join it and the local association and take part in voting for who represents them.
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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Although no one told TM she had to be the PM, and a lot of the current mess is down to her mistakes, has anyone noticed the toll all this must be taking on her health. Take a look at a picture of her from say four or five years ago and compare it with a current photograph. I think she must be aging three years for every one year that is actually passing.
I do accept the faults and have just posted as such!! But I also accept that changing this isn't possible in the way you suggest
You just don't get it, you are asking for two opposites!
You want the EU to be more democratic, thus respecting countries right to govern, yet want the EU to dictate who represents their countries.
The two just don't go together. All the EU can do is ask the member countries to try to be more fair in who they send to represent them. They can't say "If you send another white middle class bloke we'll turn him away". Wouldn't be very democratic would it?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46369046#
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105 million throughout Europe..
If you are white, midlle class male in EU all is fine.. Apparently.
Can a racist organisation tackle the problem in link.. Or will it perpetuate under it.???
Time we all opened our eyes.
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105 million throughout Europe..
If you are white, midlle class male in EU all is fine.. Apparently.
Can a racist organisation tackle the problem in link.. Or will it perpetuate under it.???
Time we all opened our eyes.
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If any EU country practiced apartheid, and withheld education from women,or black people, I would be inclined to agree with you. But they don't. Possibly the last place in Europe, where overt discrimination against its citizens was carried out by agents of the state was in NI. (I stand to be corrected on that, and it was two items which forced it to end. The imposition of direct rule from Westminister post 1970 ,and their embarrassment, and the recognition that it was offensive to EU norms ).
It is middle class people with their concept of deferred satisfaction, that allows them to undergo the penury of extended education ( + of course the fact that their parents can subvent them ) .This puts them into a position for going into the political process. Unusually, it was the Catholic working class in NI who accepted this concept of deferred satisfaction also whereas the Protestant working class, by and large didn't.
I am not implying that Blacks or immigrants are lazy or incapable, but they would not have had the social infrastructure ,or wealth to take advantage of these opportunities.
The range of EU social inclusion policies is very comprehensive,abd education for all is at thr heart of it.
Look up ERASMUS ,SOCRATES ..
It would be entirely the fault of Yorkshire for not electing MPs to parliament.
In fact Yorkshire does and they also elect MEPs as well:
54 MPs to the UK parliament
8 MEPs to the democratic European parliament.
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It is the individual countries which select the person who will be their Commissioner,not the EU. Again the EU does not dictate. Responsible countries tend to select as their Commissioner someone with Ministerial experience.
Perhaps in 10 years we will have an ethnic Indian commissioner from Ireland?.
You need to distinguish between 3 types of EU representatives.
1. EU Commissioner is an individual selected by a Government. .. in exactly the same way as Army Generals, Judges , Ambassadors are selected by the government.
2. EU MEPs. They are directly elected by the citizens, using the normal election process. Nornally it means that they are members of political parties, but non party candidates can apply and be elected. The only difference is that the constituency is much bigger.
3. EU Civil Servants... There are standard open competitions with closung dates listed in the national press.
So where is the democratic deficit?.
Liam Neeson isn't an agent for the N.I government!!
Sure he has a particular set of skills but I think you've been watching too many movies.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/09/brexit-eu-democratic-britain
Even the Guardian accepts there is a democratic deficit within EU. Give up Danidl. Nobody is saying its all bad, or perhaps even worse than our own, but this insistance EU has perfect democracy negates any good arguments you make.
Even the Guardian accepts there is a democratic deficit within EU. Give up Danidl. Nobody is saying its all bad, or perhaps even worse than our own, but this insistance EU has perfect democracy negates any good arguments you make.
you would have to address that to the Author..
not to the messenger and all that..
so any comment on the jist of what was reported tho`?
And the Guardian is the official organ of the EU?.
In almost everyone of my posts about the EU,I have acknowledged it is not perfect.
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Many on here have often criticised the nature of our referendum. Citing advisory and fact that approaching 30% didnt vote and are probably not being represented in what was a direct democratic vote. Now imagine what those people would be saying had approaching 60% not bothered voting and decision had been made with a winning vote of 22%.Quite rightly folk would be saying result lacks legitamacy, could not represent people's feelings etc etc. Now that is exactly situation throughout EU, ie approaching 60% of voters didnt vote.(dont vote, a drop of 30% since 1979) Agreed, it could be fault of individuals, the countries, the MEPs or anyone but whoever's fault it is does not change the fact that turn out, even in an indirect democracy, produces a democratic deficit. And the responsibility for that lies firnly with those inheriting power.The EU.
If it were some African nation electing a government with turn outs of around 40% we, d all be saying.. Hang on a minute that means government in power could have got there with as little as 22% support. Thats not democracy Danidl, no matter what machinery, logistics and proceedures are in place. And thats before we bring in fact Comissioners are appointed by elected members. (and not elected)
The first step by all is to recognise there is an issue before anyone can change it. You are arguing its fine. It isnt. Its a poor model of democracy to base the lives of is it 650,000,000 people..??
The EU without doubt has a severe democratic deficit both for reasons mentioned and fact that millions are not represented. (Asians, Black, Ethnic minorities)
I, m not for a moment saying this makes EU defunct. It simply needs to change radically. If that necessity isnt even realised I for one certainly want out and to be part of a system I can alter.
Yes, there is a severe democratuc deficit.
Many on here have often criticised the nature of our referendum. Citing advisory and fact that approaching 30% didnt vote and are probably not being represented in what was a direct democratic vote. Now imagine what those people would be saying had approaching 60% not bothered voting and decision had been made with a winning vote of 22%.Quite rightly folk would be saying result lacks legitamacy, could not represent people's feelings etc etc. Now that is exactly situation throughout EU, ie approaching 60% of voters didnt vote.(dont vote, a drop of 30% since 1979) Agreed, it could be fault of individuals, the countries, the MEPs or anyone but whoever's fault it is does not change the fact that turn out, even in an indirect democracy, produces a democratic deficit. And the responsibility for that lies firnly with those inheriting power.The EU.
If it were some African nation electing a government with turn outs of around 40% we, d all be saying.. Hang on a minute that means government in power could have got there with as little as 22% support. Thats not democracy Danidl, no matter what machinery, logistics and proceedures are in place. And thats before we bring in fact Comissioners are appointed by elected members. (and not elected)
The first step by all is to recognise there is an issue before anyone can change it. You are arguing its fine. It isnt. Its a poor model of democracy to base the lives of is it 650,000,000 people..??
The EU without doubt has a severe democratic deficit both for reasons mentioned and fact that millions are not represented. (Asians, Black, Ethnic minorities)
I, m not for a moment saying this makes EU defunct. It simply needs to change radically. If that necessity isnt even realised I for one certainly want out and to be part of a system I can alter.
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Because no matter how unrealistic his view is, he can't change it?
Exactly how members of the Cabinet are selected here... wo what on earth is your point?
Do you want members of the Cabinet to be elected to that role?
do you realise how incredibly corny this all sounds?
In this country no one is representing the remain vote quite likely by now the marority in this contry and you whinge on about the organisation of the EU, not representing minorities?
For goodness sake get your mind back onto what really matters!
What sort of a country pretends half of it's population no longer exist because a cross was put in a box?
We wernt talking about ours. Its a fault of many indirect democracies. Ours included.
Its only corny if you happen to be white, male, middle classs. Remainers have been well represented, just badly. There is a difference OG.
And, all the other remainers could have followed your lead and voted LibDem. If I rember correctly you were the only one that did. Not enough remainers understand how system works perhaps OG.
If Remainers voted Labour or Tory at last GE exactly what do they expect. Both made it abundantly clear they would be leaving this March, come what May. (actually may)
But none of this is appropriate to discussion. Fact is EU has severe faults in its model of democracy. Holding ours up as a shining light is wrong and irrelevant.
OG at last EU elections 42% voted. Thats not in UK, thats EU wide. That is a problem.
There is not and never has been a black EU Comisioner. Problem. Females only represent 23% of all EU staff. Problem. EU doesnt even keep records of Ethnic backgrounds of staff, even tho almost all council and commisioners are white. Problem.
All problems discounted by many, justified by others. The day we all see these problems is the day EU stands a chance of surviving. Our pretending they are not problems just magnifies them.
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