Brexit, for once some facts.
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So much for posting on topic. I was pointing out that on the internet anyone can claim to be anywhere they fancy, and posting images isn't actually proof, just proves you can use a search engine, or have images from previous holidays on file.
You do have form on giving misleading location information after all.
I simply observed you Could be in Rotherham to see if you would rise to the bait and defend your reputation, since you were the Forum member who put down his location as"The North Pole" establishing a reputation as a liar as to your actual location.
Are we going to see photo's of you at the North Pole now?
Ah well Trolls will be trolls
Whereas we have a spotless reputation and really we were joking when we invented Concentration Camps in the Boer war, and we have invaded just about every country on Earth
Here you are for your amusement as you clearly won't believe this truth
Courtesy of the Telegraph
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A new study has found that at various times the British have invaded almost 90 per cent of the countries around the globe. The analysis of the histories of the almost 200 countries in the world found only 22 which have never experienced an invasion by the British.
And here is another snippet
We are still a nation locked in denial. If you point out basic facts about the British Empire - that the British deliberately adopted policies that caused as many as 29 million Indians to starve to death in the late 19th century, say - you smack into a wall of incomprehension and rage.
And then there was our deplorable failure to save the Irish during the potato famine when milllions died.
I should leave off your hate campaign for the Germans,on that score it doesn't pay to draw attention to ourselves.
And before you say it I do not hate this country , but I do hate the liars and evil people who did these things in our name, and so should you.
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Yup. Like I say if you dig deep enough and go back far enough you can find dirt on anybody.
More Good news:
A survey of UK CEOs has found that companies are in the mood to hire as the UK prepares to leave the European Union. Business reality is a stark contrast to Project Fear conspiracy.
This year a clear majority (61%) of business leaders expect to increase headcount in 2019, up from 54% the year before. It is also higher than the global average (53%), according to PwC’s worldwide survey of CEOs.
82% of UK CEOs are optimistic about their organisation’s growth over next 12 months. The sky hasn’t fallen in as the establishment said would happen if the UK voted to Leave in 2016, business leaders are getting on with the job.
CEOs in the UK are more pessimistic about global growth though: the number expecting a decline over the next year has tripled in a year to 34%.
Chairman of PwC, Kevin Ellis, has said “Uncertainty is at the forefront of UK CEOs minds, but they know regardless of market conditions, there are always opportunities for growth. By investing in talent, technology and developing new business models, companies can adapt and innovate to thrive. CEO confidence on hiring is a very positive sign.”
A survey of UK CEOs has found that companies are in the mood to hire as the UK prepares to leave the European Union. Business reality is a stark contrast to Project Fear conspiracy.
This year a clear majority (61%) of business leaders expect to increase headcount in 2019, up from 54% the year before. It is also higher than the global average (53%), according to PwC’s worldwide survey of CEOs.
82% of UK CEOs are optimistic about their organisation’s growth over next 12 months. The sky hasn’t fallen in as the establishment said would happen if the UK voted to Leave in 2016, business leaders are getting on with the job.
CEOs in the UK are more pessimistic about global growth though: the number expecting a decline over the next year has tripled in a year to 34%.
Chairman of PwC, Kevin Ellis, has said “Uncertainty is at the forefront of UK CEOs minds, but they know regardless of market conditions, there are always opportunities for growth. By investing in talent, technology and developing new business models, companies can adapt and innovate to thrive. CEO confidence on hiring is a very positive sign.”
Leavers during the campaign: The EU will create its own army.
Nick Clegg: "An EU Army is a dangerous fantasy. It will not happen."
News January 2019: Macron and Merkel now fully back a European army.
Nick Clegg: "An EU Army is a dangerous fantasy. It will not happen."
News January 2019: Macron and Merkel now fully back a European army.
The full article stated clearly that Sony were moving its HQ to Holland but staff and business function would not be moved and there would be no job losses. You stopped writing at moving to Holland which is disingenuous of you, you should have put the story in full context.
In an earlier post you ask where I think the money will go. By that, I assume you mean the Sony tax revenue? This is perverse and hypocritical beyond words. You are a severe critic of the U.K. allowing big business to get away with paying unfairly small amounts of tax. The U.K. Chancellor Philip Hammond is trying to tackle that and it is why Sony has made the administrative move to Holland, to pay less tax because the EU allows it. Now criticise them. You won’t will you, because you hate the UK. Luxembourg is another cosy tax haven. Criticise them whilst you are at it. At least whilst the U.K. jobs are here, Sony employee taxes and NI will flow into the treasury and their wages into our economy. So not as bad as you would have us believe. That is why I compared you to Gove and Johnson, you serve up the same $h!t but in a different bucket.
For the good of everyone, we need to stop taking a one sided blinkered view and look at the whole picture, good and bad, and decide what works best for all.
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The thing that gets me about the situation at the moment is this:
When I voted I voted to leave. Which was very clear to me - it was to leave the customs union and the single market and to get out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ. That was basically it. That was what 'leave' meant. Take back control. Plain and simple. Every politician from every side said that's what it meant. Countless numbers of them said that's what it meant.
The closest 'deal' we have to that is leaving 'with no deal' (ie WTO terms).
And that is the ONE thing parliament seems set on blocking.
I swear there will be blood on the streets if they don't wake up and see what they are doing.
The sense of betrayal - the anger. These idiots have no f*****g clue.
When I voted I voted to leave. Which was very clear to me - it was to leave the customs union and the single market and to get out of the jurisdiction of the ECJ. That was basically it. That was what 'leave' meant. Take back control. Plain and simple. Every politician from every side said that's what it meant. Countless numbers of them said that's what it meant.
The closest 'deal' we have to that is leaving 'with no deal' (ie WTO terms).
And that is the ONE thing parliament seems set on blocking.
I swear there will be blood on the streets if they don't wake up and see what they are doing.
The sense of betrayal - the anger. These idiots have no f*****g clue.
there is cautious optimism since TM's deal got voted down. The Pound has regained slowly some lost ground because the threat of no deal is receding.
I was talking to my son who works in the city over Sunday lunch, more people think that we are not leaving than leaving with no deal.
If it's not on the side of a bus it doesn't count.
My earlier post addresses all but the final paragraph, which I shall answer now.
I think this country should remain in the EU and not leave it.
I worry about people’s jobs.
I voted to leave the EU because from the information I had at the time of the referendum I thought it would be the best way forward. There seemed to be wide discontent with the EU, I thought the billions we send to the EU would be better spent here in the U.K. and I thought that the trade balance would remain fairly even between the EU and U.K. because we spend many billions there.
I don’t mind admitting that I have been lied to by the Leave camp and I placed my trust in their information and they have betrayed that trust. So well done Leave, if congratulations are appropriate in those circumstances. Remain also lied, so now I don’t believe anyone. I won’t be done over again I can assure you of that. You get one chance.
So, having fallen for Leave’s lies, I have reconsidered and looked at what has happened since the referendum and made my decision.
It doesn’t make much difference, but remaining in the EU has always likely to have been a marginally better option for me in financial terms. I’m pretty much insulted from both outcomes as far as money is concerned.
Quite a lot of my background is in finance and I am retired now in my early fifties. However, since retirement I have been buying derelict buildings and plots of land to regenerate as housing. In February 2018 we had just finished 9 houses on the site of a disused pub. They were all up for sale at the usual initial asking price of slightly more than we estimated the value to be. A social housing scheme, pockets bulging with grant money, bought the lot, didn’t negotiate on the price and were desperate to get rid of their money before April.
The town where we built those houses is poor and has seen a high influx of migrants, typically from Poland. There is a chronic housing shortage and it is getting worse, so if we remain in the EU, I think it can only deteriorate further and improve returns for my retirement hobby business.
However, for the good of the country, I think remaining in the EU is the best of two bad choices. You just have to make whichever situation comes about, work for you.
Hi 50 Hz, There is one positive way in which UK if it actually does remain can turn "the best of two bad choices ".into a good result. The EU is in need of reform and if the UK actually engaged in it. ,By sending representatives to the EU parliament,worthy of the name, they could accomplish a lot.
Having said that I still have little confidence that the UK will in fact see sense. There are only some 40 working days left to cobble something together.
Having said that I still have little confidence that the UK will in fact see sense. There are only some 40 working days left to cobble something together.
Interesting post. Clearly you are able to review your decisions objectively even if mainly on financial grounds. I have an opposite journey, I voted remain, as much because I think its culturally beneficial for the UK to remain open and not become as self obsessed as say trump incarnation of America. But friends and colleagues have emerged as leave voters, and more than that strident xenophobic, worryingly often even blatantly racist ones. And we're still friends (we all have demons). But I cannot see them changing meaningfully without a very thorough experience of the kind of dystopia those kind of views create. So I'm hoping for a very hard cliff edge wto brexit. Financially I'll survive either way so that doesn't really matter and may be a small price to pay in the long run for a more meaningful opening up to the eu.
What?
I have never commented anywhere on the subject of Tax , if you insist on Trolling, try to get your facts right, or have you directed this post at the wrong person?
Point me at a single post of mine where I ctiticise the UK in any way.
My criticisms are off the actions of the Tory Government and the clones of it
And since when was the Tory Governent representative of the UK? they are the ones who set the Business Tax rates, not the people of this nation.
Only a complete idiot would conflate the two.
You really do need to stop using your imagination to fit the propaganda you have swallowed instead of reading my posts.
This attempt at portraying me as in some way unpatriotic is not an adequeate cover for your own betrayal in supporting Brexit is it?
I am very much in Favour of having the best future for the people of this set of islands , and living in the past is entirely against their best interests.
It is because I know that Brexit is entirely intended only to benefit the rich at the expense of the poor that I am totally opposed to it, and those shady characters that support it.
That is the essense of patriotism, working in the interest of the population, not being taken in by lies and false promises, unwittingly being used a a pawn by the rich as you have been .
And now you no longer know which way you want Brexit to go do you? hence this
"However, for the good of the country, I think remaining in the EU is the best of two bad choices. You just have to make whichever situation comes about, work for you. "
It isn't a bad choice, it was the only logical choice from day one if you gave it a moment's thought.
But well done for seeing the obvious at last.
Even if it too late!
Pretty much me feelings as I have posted all along, this is a time for "Grasping the Nettle"
We either kill this Brexit nonsense now, or suffer the consequences before exorcising this particular demon , and getting the future back on track.
OJ,.. fine what you wanted was clear, what were you prepared to give up to achieve it was not.
The most blatant lie was the mantra "take back control" .. . It was is as meaningless or meaningful as " Make America great Again".
Even the fact that the EU did not stop,or attempt to stop ,or is even interfering in the UKs referendum and debates remains proof of that. What the EU has done however is ensure that the UK would not "take back "control of other countries,. The continued attempts to bully Ireland over the last year by senior politicans,will not be viewed as your finest hour.
Now your sentence about blood on the streets ,would in any court be viewed not as a prediction,but as an obvious threat.