Brexit, for once some facts.
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Fresh from the news that she has been expelled from the Labour Party following her conviction last month, an inexplicable video has surfaced of Fiona Onasanya telling the camera “I’ve just come out of a meeting and I feel inspired” before proceeding to mime the actions for snorting an imaginary substance of ill-repute off a desk.
Tell me, do you think Mp's from any of the other parties are morally any better?
That is the problem with the UK Government
Corruption is rife, and by selling arms to dodgy regimes the ruling Conservatives have blood on their hands too,as does the department telling people they are fit to work, yet so ill die before they can do so.
So the choice gets down to being between rogues and killers.
We all deserve better as our representatives.
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The trouble with arms sales, or suddenly stopping doing so is jobs. There was a silly Labour MP on TV a few weeks ago saying that we should immediately stop selling arms to Saudi after they had chopped that Journo up. That’s very admirable, and also very easy to say when it isn’t your job going down the toilet. I wonder if they had been saying such things if it had directly affected their job?
So your logic is that it's fine to produce and sell weapons that are used by bloodthirsty and evil regimes to persecute, and kill innocent men, women and children abroad and send refugees fleeing their country of origin, because they produce nice secure jobs here?
I guess that makes you a Conservative, where nothing must get in the way of profit. and human suffering is simply "collateral damage"?
Would you describe that attitude as "All very admirable" that people ( so long as they re foreigners) need to die to support jobs here?
What a strange dichotomy on the one hand you expressed justified dismay at the way people in villages trooped off to die in the World wars they really had no personal commitment to.
Yet have no moral qualms about gun running to murderous regimes so they can kill , maim and displace populations, because making the weapons protects jobs here?
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It’s not right, but ordinary people’s jobs, future employment and pensions have been built around the arms industry. To suddenly stop would be devastating for those ordinary people and their families. It’s dead easy to take a moral tone when it’s not your job on the line, and when you have no stake in the consequences of such a decision. Typical Labour.
Sorry but that is a load of bull there is no justification whatsoever for gun running and you know it, or are you saying that there is no way these people making weapons cannot be given more gainful employment?
Let me ask you a question, what did you think happened to the armaments factories at the end of the world wars? they were making bombs , guns , tanks etc, and suddenly that was at an end
Did they close and throw everyone out of work?
No they did not, they went back to manufacturing more useful goods
You really should start thinking for yourself and look at the lessons of History.
The factory I worked at made munitions during both wars and switched to peace time manufacture within a month of the end of both wars.
You have a typical non thinking conservative attitude.
That can’t happen these days, China manufactures too much. I tell you what, your pension, your investments and funds will be financed to some extent by arms sales. Put your money where your gob is and forego say 10% of your income in protest. Looks very different now doesn’t it.
There is nothing I would rather see than Sauidis eating sand again, but that’s going to take time.
Labour brexit strategy from Barry Gardiner:
Labour could offer to hold a referendum on an EU deal that it had renegotiated as part of an early general election manifesto.
That'll put pressure on the hard brexiters.
Labour could offer to hold a referendum on an EU deal that it had renegotiated as part of an early general election manifesto.
That'll put pressure on the hard brexiters.
Do you really beieve this rubbish? so you are saying the only means we have of surviving is based on gun running?
What utter rot
This is the amounts involved
UK defence exports in 2017 were worth £9 billion ($11.5 billion), up 53% on the 2016 total. UK market-share is estimated at 12%.29 Aug 2018
Peanuts in the scheme of things against this background
Almost half (48%) of UK goods exports went to the EU in 2016. UK goods exports to the EU were worth £145 billion in 2016, or 7.4% of GDP.
It's amazing how often Brexit fans come out with this sort of propaganda
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Put your money where your gob is and forego say 10% of your income in protest. Looks very different now doesn’t it."
No it doesn't and you are doing yourself no favours by dislaying such an attitude
Don't you think that is rather a juvenile and agressive sort of response?
Am I supposed to be impressed?
I don't want the Blood money.
And the answer is no, it doesn't look any different to me, it is still totally the wrong thing for a society to make a living selling weapons intended to kill human beings.
If you think otherwise, then you are morally bankrupt, so don't pretend you are taking some sort of moral high ground, as you are not.
Armaments factories should be repurposed for more sensible means of generating profit, we do this after every major war.
It only seems hard to change them over to more useful manufacture of goods to people of limited intellect.
The skills and resources of the workforce are being wasted
They are being used to make profit in a way you should be ashamed of
Errrrrr. Just a few iffs in there. Barry has got to convince Corbyn... then Corbyn has got to get something from EU... (promises?) Then JC has got to get a GE, then write a manifesto that makes sense (he hasnt managed it yet). Then he has to win GE on all the none Brexit issues... Nobody bothered thinking about Brexit last GE...
Perhaps if Corbyn resigned and took DA with him and new leader actually managed to get all labour singing from same hymn book and had a rethink on fiscal , defence, tax and Brexit they might stand a chance.
Tories, inspite of all the current fiasco, have just increased their popularity.. (if polls can be believed)
Dream on Woosh.
For once I agree with OG but please please leave me on ignore if you read this OG.
I suspect entire opposition are snorting what pretend solicitor, pretend MP was pretending to snort.
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I’m not sure the arms industry workers would see it that way. It’s very easy to make the big gesture when it’s someone else, in this case ordinary working people, who are paying.
Are you pretending that there is no need to change supplying weapons that kill innocent people ?
It's very easy to come out with complacent nonsense to excuse an evil trade, it needs to stop right now, before more innocent lives are destroyed in the name of keeping people in work they shouldn't actually be doing.
Conservatives always seem to have these double standards where it's fine for others to suffer so long as they don't, and you have the effrontery to suggest I should support this?
Why do you?
I’m not saying it is a desirable situation, just that many ordinary hard working people rely on arms manufacture for their livelihood.
And they need to be transferred to more productive work, they don't have to make weapons.
And if you want Brexit to work, the transfer needs to be sooner as the returns on Arms sales are not sufficient to keep the economy going.
It's just a prop.
On the Andrew Marr show he asked a Military character if the army would help with getting medicines to where they are required?
"We are not involved in that, no"
"So what are you involved in?" asked Marr
"We're involved in thinking hard about what it might involve."
Clearly the Government has "Taken back control"by giving control to the Army
Who seemingly have even less idea what to do than they do!
And the Scrambled egg laughed rather self consciously when giving this answer.
Which meant either he has no idea what he is expected to do.
Or his orders are to keep quiet and not alarm the public.
What a situation, and it begs the question who is going to see that necessary supplies reach the public if the Army aren't going to?
The scrambled Egg was in fact
General Sir Nick Carter, head of the British armed forces.
"We are not involved in that, no"
"So what are you involved in?" asked Marr
"We're involved in thinking hard about what it might involve."
Clearly the Government has "Taken back control"by giving control to the Army
Who seemingly have even less idea what to do than they do!
And the Scrambled egg laughed rather self consciously when giving this answer.
Which meant either he has no idea what he is expected to do.
Or his orders are to keep quiet and not alarm the public.
What a situation, and it begs the question who is going to see that necessary supplies reach the public if the Army aren't going to?
The scrambled Egg was in fact
General Sir Nick Carter, head of the British armed forces.
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This is what Cummings things of the Brexit voters he manipulated
https://medium.com/@willblack_53220/forget-cumberbatch-see-what-brexit-manipulator-really-thinks-of-you-a9aa346bbc16
In a rambling 237-page rant, entitled ‘Some Thoughts on Education and Political Priorities’, Cummings suggests that much of the population is limited in our response to education by genes. Apparently an intensive, expensive and protracted education would not enable most to excel in the way Cummings believes he has.
He also states: “When people look at gaps between rich and poor children that already exist at a young age they almost universally assume that these differences are because of environmental reasons (‘privileges and wealth’) and ignore genetics.”
Cummings suggests that “finding genes responsible for cognitive abilities” coupled with using computers to personalise learning will bring “dramatic improvements to education”, but “this will not remove genetic influence over the variation in outcomes or close the gap between the rich and poor.”
And, in a statement so pompous that I’m still reeling more than five years after first reading it, Cummings adds: “One can both listen to basic science on genetics and regard as a priority the improvement of state schools; accepting we are evolved creatures does not mean ‘giving up on the less fortunate’.”
So, there you have it, less prosperous Brexit voters, the man who sold you Brexit says you are poor because you have inferior genes and brains, and better education won’t change that.
How comforting for the Brexit Voters who insist that people look down on them and call them names, to discover that the chief culprit that mislead then in the referendum and is supposedly on their side despises them too.
And regards them as genetically inferior.
Brexit: a form of lewd comedy
https://medium.com/@willblack_53220/forget-cumberbatch-see-what-brexit-manipulator-really-thinks-of-you-a9aa346bbc16
In a rambling 237-page rant, entitled ‘Some Thoughts on Education and Political Priorities’, Cummings suggests that much of the population is limited in our response to education by genes. Apparently an intensive, expensive and protracted education would not enable most to excel in the way Cummings believes he has.
He also states: “When people look at gaps between rich and poor children that already exist at a young age they almost universally assume that these differences are because of environmental reasons (‘privileges and wealth’) and ignore genetics.”
Cummings suggests that “finding genes responsible for cognitive abilities” coupled with using computers to personalise learning will bring “dramatic improvements to education”, but “this will not remove genetic influence over the variation in outcomes or close the gap between the rich and poor.”
And, in a statement so pompous that I’m still reeling more than five years after first reading it, Cummings adds: “One can both listen to basic science on genetics and regard as a priority the improvement of state schools; accepting we are evolved creatures does not mean ‘giving up on the less fortunate’.”
So, there you have it, less prosperous Brexit voters, the man who sold you Brexit says you are poor because you have inferior genes and brains, and better education won’t change that.
How comforting for the Brexit Voters who insist that people look down on them and call them names, to discover that the chief culprit that mislead then in the referendum and is supposedly on their side despises them too.
And regards them as genetically inferior.
Brexit: a form of lewd comedy
You really love taking the moral high ground. How predictable.