Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Just hit the "Show ignored content button" to see if the Trolls had posted anything novel.
Obviously not, just their usual prancing around and preening each other like a troupe of monkeys.
Sooner or later they will get bored and wander off.
Meanwhile in the real world
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EXCLUSIVE: You can't scare us! Brexiteers are made of STERNER STUFF, says JACOB REES-MOGG
WHAT terrors will arise on the morning of the 30th March if the United Kingdom does not accept the Prime Ministers Withdrawal Agreement and nothing else is on offer?
Imagine how much he is going to make out of currency speculation on that day?
No wonder he isn't scared, making money out of the plebs is after all the name of his game.
"

 

[oldgroaner]

This is interesting
"Defence minister Tobias Ellwood says 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready for a no-deal .

For what purpose?
Think about that very carefully.
Why are they likely to be needed?
Nothing is supposed to happen, it will all pass without incident remember?
The Times has this
"Ministers at a no-deal Brexit planning meeting on Thursday were told that 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready to help manage the consequences. Sources said that Tobias Ellwood, a defence minister, warned that troops may be needed in case of civil unrest, to ensure safe delivery of food and medical supplies.
Where will these troops be deployed, and under what orders?

 

[oldgroaner]

I HAVE NOT

Don't encourage the trolls by responding to their so juvenile barbs.
There are far more important matters to debate than toying with time wasters who are actually clueless where Brexit is concerned.

 

[OxygenJames]

I HAVE NOT

OK. We'll let you off. Just everybody else is guilty as charged.

 

[OxygenJames]

This is interesting
"Defence minister Tobias Ellwood says 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready for a no-deal .

For what purpose?
Think about that very carefully.
Why are they likely to be needed?
Nothing is supposed to happen, it will all pass without incident remember?
The Times has this
"Ministers at a no-deal Brexit planning meeting on Thursday were told that 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready to help manage the consequences. Sources said that Tobias Ellwood, a defence minister, warned that troops may be needed in case of civil unrest, to ensure safe delivery of food and medical supplies.
Where will these troops be deployed, and under what orders?

What's so surprising about that? Makes sense to me. Put some troops on the ground. Just in case. Mass hysteria by the Remainers who tired of throwing their dolls out of their pram may need some counselling or physical support. The troops would be good for that.

But - seriously - having some troops around to help with this and that - calm the nerves etc - sounds good to me.

 

[OxygenJames]

Just hit the "Show ignored content button" to see if the Trolls had posted anything novel.
Obviously not, just their usual prancing around and preening each other like a troupe of monkeys.
Sooner or later they will get bored and wander off.
Meanwhile in the real world
"
EXCLUSIVE: You can't scare us! Brexiteers are made of STERNER STUFF, says JACOB REES-MOGG
WHAT terrors will arise on the morning of the 30th March if the United Kingdom does not accept the Prime Ministers Withdrawal Agreement and nothing else is on offer?
Imagine how much he is going to make out of currency speculation on that day?
No wonder he isn't scared, making money out of the plebs is after all the name of his game.
"

Yup. Back in the real world Jacob is staying calm.

 

[OxygenJames]

Don't encourage the trolls by responding to their so juvenile barbs.
There are far more important matters to debate than toying with time wasters who are actually clueless where Brexit is concerned.

OldGroaner attempting to rally his troops.

btw - talking of important matters - did you watch the D. Cummings talk? Seeing as you're so fixed on 'facts' - I would have thought listening to the man who ran the leave campaign talk about how they won would have been very interesting. Seriously - did you watch it? What did you make of it?

 

[oyster]

This is interesting
"Defence minister Tobias Ellwood says 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready for a no-deal .

For what purpose?
Think about that very carefully.
Why are they likely to be needed?
Nothing is supposed to happen, it will all pass without incident remember?
The Times has this
"Ministers at a no-deal Brexit planning meeting on Thursday were told that 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready to help manage the consequences. Sources said that Tobias Ellwood, a defence minister, warned that troops may be needed in case of civil unrest, to ensure safe delivery of food and medical supplies.
Where will these troops be deployed, and under what orders?

Based on Wiki's claim of British army numbers, that represents 36.81% of the regular army plus 74.07% of the reserves.

... in case of civil unrest, to help at airports, and ensure the safe delivery of fuel and medical supplies...

Interesting to consider that (apparently) British army numbers peaked at about 22,000 in NI alone.

So we have this crazy situation of a very large proportion of the army being committed but still only managing to muster a tiny fraction of the numbers that could be required.

After all, they haven't mentioned the really big issue - food. We have around 14,000 supermarkets in the UK. If all 50,000 troops were dedicated to them alone, there would be around 3 per shop. It doesn't need there to be real food shortages to cause problems with deliveries and safety of the shops - just fear and transient difficulties. Hard to know how much three impact three individuals would make.

 

[oyster]

EXCLUSIVE: You can't scare us! Brexiteers are made of STERNER STUFF, says JACOB REES-MOGG
WHAT terrors will arise on the morning of the 30th March if the United Kingdom does not accept the Prime Ministers Withdrawal Agreement and nothing else is on offer?

I suggest that issues will start well before 30/03/2019 so that actual day might make little difference. Other issues will arise in the weeks, months and years afterwards.

For a very simple example, some transport companies might not want their lorries stuck in the UK on 30/03/2019. Fleet managers could well be tempted to get them back into the EU before the actual deadline. (Whether or not this is sensible.) Which could cause deliveries to be problematical in the days leading up.

Medicine issues, we are assured, will be handled by the six weeks stockpiling. But it will only be at the end of the six weeks that we will see whether the industry is able to deliver fresh products not just from stockpiles.

 

[oyster]

OK. We'll let you off. Just everybody else is guilty as charged.

Really?

 

[Fingers]

Big news.

The groaner unit ignores shock

 

[anotherkiwi]

Based on Wiki's claim of British army numbers, that represents 36.81% of the regular army plus 74.07% of the reserves.

... in case of civil unrest, to help at airports, and ensure the safe delivery of fuel and medical supplies...

Interesting to consider that (apparently) British army numbers peaked at about 22,000 in NI alone.

So we have this crazy situation of a very large proportion of the army being committed but still only managing to muster a tiny fraction of the numbers that could be required.

After all, they haven't mentioned the really big issue - food. We have around 14,000 supermarkets in the UK. If all 50,000 troops were dedicated to them alone, there would be around 3 per shop. It doesn't need there to be real food shortages to cause problems with deliveries and safety of the shops - just fear and transient difficulties. Hard to know how much three impact three individuals would make.

With flame throwers?...

 

[oyster]

Blame-shifting in place. It is not the government at fault. No, no, certainly not. Not "no-deal" itself. Nor brexit. Nor the lack of Ramsgate to Ostend ferries. It will be the industry.

With the trite wording: "if everybody does what they need to do..." Bleeding obvious. But if they don't, who will suffer? Will any health and social care secretaries plunge onto their swords, or even resign?

If it is not in the gift of the government to ensure medical supplies, then they have no right to re-assure that they have done everything and there will not be a problem.

The health and social care secretary, Matt Hancock, said he was “confident” there would be an “unhindered” supply of medicines even if there was a no-deal Brexit, as long as the pharmaceutical industry took the necessary action.

“We are confident that if everybody does what they need to do then we will have an unhindered supply of medicines,” he told Sky News’ Sophy Ridge on Sunday.

“A lot of this relies on the pharmaceutical companies and others, so it isn’t entirely in the gift of the government, but we need to do what we need to do and the pharmaceutical industry – so far that work has been progressing very well, I’ve been very pleased with the response of the pharmaceutical industry who obviously take this incredibly seriously.”

Asked if he could guarantee that no one would die as a result of a no-deal Brexit, Hancock said: “I’m confident that we will have the unhindered supply of medicines so long as the plans that we have in place are properly enacted.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/06/brexit-may-warns-opponents-they-risk-damaging-uk-economy-and-democracy

 

[Danidl]

Erm maybe not foul mouthed. I'd say none of us have really been foul mouthed.

But you have been awful in your hatred of the English.

On more than six occasions you've posted that you hope we fail and to quote 'wither on the vine'

That's pretty nasty.

But we don't care. Winners oft have to suffer barbs from small folk and the lower orders.

We forgive but not forget chum.

Its how we ruled a world. That's our heritage.

We lost one war. Lessons were learnt.

No.. yet again no.

Don't encourage the trolls by responding to their so juvenile barbs.
There are far more important matters to debate than toying with time wasters who are actually clueless where Brexit is concerned.

Perhaps I should take OG sage advice in this topic, but in any event... I believe I said ,on two occasions, that I was tempted ,to allow you continue in the folly, and would then derive some modicum of satisfaction from the misery you would have inflicted on yourselves. I don't hope for it, I dispair,that it will happen . It would have been less than human to momentary take satisfaction when i and others have been proved correct.
You have chosen to believe,for some illogical reason,and on ZERO evidence that I hate English people . I do not.

 

[oyster]

With flame throwers?...

They will help with the cooking.

 

[Zlatan]

No.. yet again no.
Perhaps I should take OG sage advice in this topic, but in any event... I believe I said ,on two occasions, that I was tempted ,to allow you continue in the folly, and would then derive some modicum of satisfaction from the misery you would have inflicted on yourselves. I don't hope for it, I dispair,that it will happen . It would have been less than human to momentary take satisfaction when i and others have been proved correct.
You have chosen to believe,for some illogical reason,and on ZERO evidence that I hate English people . I do not.

It does seem that way a little bit Danidl. Yes, I agree, you are far more subtle than others but there is an undercurrent of dislike and gloating. Its to be expected the way English have treated some groups what is more surprising is when it comes frim some enjoying all benefits our society has provided... The one from Hull springs to mind...

 

[50Hertz]

This is interesting
"Defence minister Tobias Ellwood says 30,000 regular troops and 20,000 reserves must be ready for a no-deal .

For what purpose?
Think about that very carefully.
Why are they likely to be needed?

To launch an assault on mainland Europe of course. Derrr, honestly, some people.

 

[50Hertz]

No.. yet again no.
Perhaps I should take OG sage advice in this topic, but in any event... I believe I said ,on two occasions, that I was tempted ,to allow you continue in the folly, and would then derive some modicum of satisfaction from the misery you would have inflicted on yourselves. I don't hope for it, I dispair,that it will happen . It would have been less than human to momentary take satisfaction when i and others have been proved correct.
You have chosen to believe,for some illogical reason,and on ZERO evidence that I hate English people . I do not.

Potatoes

 

[tommie]

Labour is an unthinkable prospect. An MP convicted of preventing the course of justice, another employing a convicted drug dealer and also a proven liar, millionaires masquerading as ordinary people’s representatives, hell bent on emptying the pockets of working people and filling those of wasters. Just a snap-shot of Labour.

It makes May almost acceptable. A bit like a choice between eating excrement or drinking cold sick.

very true,

this is/was a British politician and a Solicitor, the sort of people you put trust in,

How could someone as dumb / crazy / maladjusted / delusional as this become

a) a qualified solicitor (allegedly),
.
b) a Member of Parliament???
.
What has this country become?

well now,??!!

 

[50Hertz]

very true,

How could someone as dumb / crazy / maladjusted / delusional as this become

a) a qualified solicitor (allegedly),
.
b) a Member of Parliament???
.

Answers:

a) Probably isn’t a proper solicitor. If an investigation were to be launched to trace back the career path and educational route of this person, it might turn up a few surprises.

Clearly isn’t fit to hold any office of public trust such as a solicitor or MP when they are prepared abuse and attempt to cheat the justice system.

She should go to prison, others have before her for exactly the same offence. She does however hold a trump card and I am confident that she will not hesitate to play it.

b) Restricted candidate shortlists intended to deliver a certain type of candidate in Labour strongholds. Effectively, once selected as a Labour representative they are guaranteed to be elected to parliament. In some areas, if you put a Labour rosette on a an old discarded punctured tyre, they would vote for it. This is what has happened here.