Brexit, for once some facts.

Danidl

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I see Leo and Simon now looking for Special Status for Ireland from the EU cabal...........fingers crossed guys!

.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-coveney-idUSKCN1OI2MO?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c1b1d2d04d30142621b036c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Dear Leo we did tell you this over a year ago !


Special Status for ROI in EU Obvious Answer to Hard Border

Statement by TUV leader Jim Allister:- November 10, 2017

“It is EU intransigence and ideological insistence on the sanctity of its single market and customs union which threatens a hard border on the island of Ireland. The UK seeks free trade, but Brussels insists on preserving its tariffs: hence the prospect of a customs border. So, let the responsibility for any resulting hard border be clear.
“It is nonsense to talk about preserving the rules of the EU single market and customs union, either for Northern Ireland or the UK as a whole, for such equates to staying in the EU. The UK is leaving, like it or not, so it is time the EU came to terms with that reality.
“There is a way to protect against a hard border and if the EU cared anything for the economy of the Republic of Ireland it would be rolling out such a proposal, namely, Special Status for the Republic within the EU, whereby it could continue to trade tariff free with its neighbour the UK. At a stroke the hard border issue would be largely resolved and the devastating risk to the Republic’s economy removed.
“However, it seems the EU’s ideology is more important to it than the Republic’s economy. One day, the Republic may realise that its economic interests are best protected by itself leaving the EU and thereby preserving its access to its key UK market, but that is a matter for the people of the Republic. We in Northern Ireland, like the rest of our nation, are leaving, with or without a deal.”
Until the day when F&M infected beef from the Argentine,or sub standard chickens cross into the EU.
 

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I see Leo and Simon now looking for Special Status for Ireland from the EU cabal...........fingers crossed guys!

.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-coveney-idUSKCN1OI2MO?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c1b1d2d04d30142621b036c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Dear Leo we did tell you this over a year ago !


Special Status for ROI in EU Obvious Answer to Hard Border

Statement by TUV leader Jim Allister:- November 10, 2017

“It is EU intransigence and ideological insistence on the sanctity of its single market and customs union which threatens a hard border on the island of Ireland. The UK seeks free trade, but Brussels insists on preserving its tariffs: hence the prospect of a customs border. So, let the responsibility for any resulting hard border be clear.
“It is nonsense to talk about preserving the rules of the EU single market and customs union, either for Northern Ireland or the UK as a whole, for such equates to staying in the EU. The UK is leaving, like it or not, so it is time the EU came to terms with that reality.
“There is a way to protect against a hard border and if the EU cared anything for the economy of the Republic of Ireland it would be rolling out such a proposal, namely, Special Status for the Republic within the EU, whereby it could continue to trade tariff free with its neighbour the UK. At a stroke the hard border issue would be largely resolved and the devastating risk to the Republic’s economy removed.
“However, it seems the EU’s ideology is more important to it than the Republic’s economy. One day, the Republic may realise that its economic interests are best protected by itself leaving the EU and thereby preserving its access to its key UK market, but that is a matter for the people of the Republic. We in Northern Ireland, like the rest of our nation, are leaving, with or without a deal.”
Another idiot who doesn't understand reality when we leave the EU even under WTO rules there will have to be a border, and if the EU require something of that nature the loonies in Northern Ireland will have to ask how high they are expected to jump
What we on the mainland should be asking is what value is Northern Ireland to us?
We can always trade directly with mainland Ireland
 
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oldgroaner

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Who knows. Right now nobody. And it also depends on what goes on with the rest of the world in the meantime. There are simply too many variables to predict accurately. Except for the old codger who thinks just because he predicted the right result of the vote he has some god-given ability to see into the future. Which of course he doesn't. Fact is - nobody knows. My prediction is that it will all turn out just fine - IF we leave. If not we're tied into that bloody club for god knows how many more years.
You would have to be pretty dim not to see where Brexit is going, it simply requires using the brain , no God like powers required.
Rather more positive than your pathetic "I don't know,but I hope it will all turn out for the best if we leave"
Why are you so keen on something when you are so vague about it?
 
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Without for one moment implying any transgression of the laws of theft, this story makes me think of the various quotes about thieves falling out.

Brexit backer Arron Banks faces questions over uncut diamond
Campaigners report businessman to multiple authorities over gem allegedly removed from South Africa


Controversial businessman Arron Banks is facing questions from anti-corruption campaigners over a valuable uncut diamond from South Africa that he may have smuggled out of the country, evading thousands of pounds in taxes and flouting controls on the international movement of diamonds set up to prevent the sale of “conflict gems”.

The allegations, made by Forensics for Justice, are based on an email from Banks to a business partner, which the organisation says it collected from the recipient. It forms part of a dossier it compiled this year on Banks’s business dealings in South Africa and Lesotho.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/22/arron-banks-questions-uncut-diamond-south-africa
 
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Another idiot who doesn't understand reality when we leave the EU even under WTO rules there will have to be a border, and if the EU require something of that nature the loonies in Northern Ireland will have to ask how high they are expected to jump
What we on the mainland should be asking is what value is Northern Ireland to us?
We can always trade directly with mainland Ireland
Amazing how anybody who offers a different view or opinion to yours is an idiot.
Dont agree with everything Tommie says but he sure as hell ain't no idiot.
 
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You would have to be pretty dim not to see where Brexit is going, it simply requires using the brain , no God like powers required.
Rather more positive than your pathetic "I don't know,but I hope it will all turn out for the best if we leave"
Why are you so keen on something when you are so vague about it?
Ask JC, Peter Hargreaves, Monkton, Minford, Dyson, Portilo.... Oh and about 17 million and rising voters.
Its the self appointed economists like yourself arguing against it or those on payroll like Carney.
 
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I see Leo and Simon now looking for Special Status for Ireland from the EU cabal...........fingers crossed guys!

.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland-coveney-idUSKCN1OI2MO?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5c1b1d2d04d30142621b036c&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Dear Leo we did tell you this over a year ago !


Special Status for ROI in EU Obvious Answer to Hard Border

Statement by TUV leader Jim Allister:- November 10, 2017

“It is EU intransigence and ideological insistence on the sanctity of its single market and customs union which threatens a hard border on the island of Ireland. The UK seeks free trade, but Brussels insists on preserving its tariffs: hence the prospect of a customs border. So, let the responsibility for any resulting hard border be clear.
“It is nonsense to talk about preserving the rules of the EU single market and customs union, either for Northern Ireland or the UK as a whole, for such equates to staying in the EU. The UK is leaving, like it or not, so it is time the EU came to terms with that reality.
“There is a way to protect against a hard border and if the EU cared anything for the economy of the Republic of Ireland it would be rolling out such a proposal, namely, Special Status for the Republic within the EU, whereby it could continue to trade tariff free with its neighbour the UK. At a stroke the hard border issue would be largely resolved and the devastating risk to the Republic’s economy removed.
“However, it seems the EU’s ideology is more important to it than the Republic’s economy. One day, the Republic may realise that its economic interests are best protected by itself leaving the EU and thereby preserving its access to its key UK market, but that is a matter for the people of the Republic. We in Northern Ireland, like the rest of our nation, are leaving, with or without a deal.”
You know Tommie, Jim McAllister does raise a valid point...
"However, it seems the EU’s ideology is more important to it than the Republic’s economy. "... That is a well constructed sentence and contains truth. I might have used the word fundamental principles rather than ideology, but let's not quibble. Think through the implications of that for a few minutes.
The solidarity of the EU and it's 400 million was always going to more important than the money in the pocket of 4.5 million of its citizens, and even that a darn sight more important than the economy of a third party even if it were 60 million,. The EU has done it's best to both support the Irish case,and to protect EU citizens..one of which will be you thanks to the GFA .
 
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Ask JC, Peter Hargreaves, Monkton, Minford, Dyson, Portilo.... Oh and about 17 million and rising voters.
Its the self appointed economists like yourself arguing against it or those on payroll like Carney.
You've done it again haven't you? You never seem to understand that I have no great interest in the short term economics, and have stated repeatedly that some sort of arrangement would be reached to temporarily keep us going.
The damage is much more serious and long term than that
 
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You know Tommie, Jim McAllister does raise a valid point...
"However, it seems the EU’s ideology is more important to it than the Republic’s economy. "... That is a well constructed sentence and contains truth. I might have used the word fundamental principles rather than ideology, but let's not quibble. Think through the implications of that for a few minutes.
The solidarity of the EU and it's 400 million was always going to more important than the money in the pocket of 4.5 million of its citizens, and even that a darn sight more important than the economy of a third party even if it were 60 million,. The EU has done it's best to both support the Irish case,and to protect EU citizens..one of which will be you thanks to the GFA .
Good post Danidl. (seriously)D
You've done it again haven't you? You never seem to understand that I have no great interest in the short term economics, and have stated repeatedly that some sort of arrangement would be reached to temporarily keep us going.
The damage is much more serious and long term than that
Like you know..
 

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Amazing how anybody who offers a different view or opinion to yours is an idiot.
Dont agree with everything Tommie says but he sure as hell ain't no idiot.
Having a different opinion is fine, how odd that you support someone with such an insulting and arrogant attitude, which would have been the target for your ire if he wasn't a rabid leave fan, wouldn't it?
 
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oldgroaner

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Good post Danidl. (seriously)D


Like you know..
Yes I do know, let's face facts, Brexit was a protest vote and in your own words you saw it an opportunity to make some fancy deals.
Now after two years the people who should have been able to get fancy deals have failed, and after we leave we are utterly dependent on this same shower to work miracles against the odds.
 
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Yes I do know, let's face facts, Brexit was a protest vote and in your own words you saw it an opportunity to make some fancy deals.
Now after two years the people who should have been able to get fancy deals have failed, and after we leave we are utterly dependent on this same shower to work miracles against the odds.
Where do you get it from. Stpp making stuff up about me. I have never said anything about making neat or fancy deals... You are proving yourself to be utterly incapable of putting over an opinion without either insulting or personal slurs. Just stop it OG.
 

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I just picked this up from something Raboa just posted, could be useful in this thread. ;)

For men who are feeling down or in crisis, you can also call CALM (Campaign Against Living Miserably):
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There'll probably be a spate of posts now recommending it for rival posters! :D
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Zlatan

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Nice one flecc. I, d seen post and thought it probably apt for many of us...
Can you imagine phoning helpline and getting through to OG...
Could work... When you want abusing, insulting, putting down or plain shouted at phone our helpline...
 
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I have posted several times about the concerns many have regarding medicines and brexit. This sort of report would appear to engender worry, even fear, though there might be nothing whatsoever to be worried about.

Pharmaceutical firms preparing no-deal Brexit ordered to sign NDAs
More than 60 partners working on no-deal plans across Whitehall are now prohibited from revealing details to the public
Pharmaceutical organisations working with Whitehall to maintain medicine supplies in the event of a no-deal Brexit have signed 26 “gagging orders” that bar them from revealing information to the public.

Figures show that 16 drug companies and 10 trade associations have been asked to sign non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) which prevent them from revealing any information related to contingency plans drawn up with the Department of Health and Social Care.

It means that the government has now asked at least 60 partners working on no-deal preparations across Whitehall to sign such agreements, angering transparency campaigners and MPs.

Theresa May’s government has been accused of controlling the release of information about no-deal preparations to try to force Conservative MPs to back the prime minister’s Brexit agreement through parliament.
The prime minister has previously condemned the use of NDAs by employers. She told parliament in October that it was clear they were being used “unethically”.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/23/pharmaceutical-firms-preparing-no-deal-brexit-ordered-to-sign-ndas
 
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Where do you get it from. Stpp making stuff up about me. I have never said anything about making neat or fancy deals... You are proving yourself to be utterly incapable of putting over an opinion without either insulting or personal slurs. Just stop it OG.
But you did... very early on is this why I get this message when looking for your early posts? "This member limits who may view their full profile. "
 
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