Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

0.99€ for a nicker at Stansted today..........if you're stupid enough!

Let's get on with 'Brexit' by invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty so we can enjoy better times economically. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to when we will be genuinely able to say, 'Now we are demonstrably better off since we exited the EU.'

Tom

 

[Croxden]

0.99€ for a nicker at Stansted today..........if you're stupid enough!

Let's get on with 'Brexit' by invoking Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty so we can enjoy better times economically. Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to when we will be genuinely able to say, 'Now we are demonstrably better off since we exited the EU.'

Tom

Long after we're gone.

 

[flecc]

I was not intending to be critical, I was going by their accents only. Good men are good men from wherever there're from (or women).

No, I didn't take it as critical at all. I think we are so used to a huge variety of looks, accents and languages here we don't take any notice any more.

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[flecc]

Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to when we will be genuinely able to say, 'Now we are demonstrably better off since we exited the EU.'

Impossible Tom. By the time that could happen there will be no-one left alive who remembers what it was like as an EU member!

And whatever life is like then, everyone will still be moaning.
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[oldgroaner]

I don't think they will have any choice. It will be either hold a referendum or lose out to a party which will offer one. You are forgetting that the population decide, not the politicians.

Don't kid yourself! the only reason we had one was because of Tory party internal strife, absolutely nothing whatever to do with the public.
Cameron dropped the biggest political Clanger in history by offering one for fear of losing support to the UKIP, expecting he could win it easily , not realising there were even bigger liars that him in Boris, Gove and Farage, and the Murdoch Press ranged against him.
Public Decide indeed! they had no say in the matter, but took the opportunity to attack the targets false information provided them with.
And now none of the Westminster Bubble, Civil Service and Legal Profession have the slightest idea what to do to avert disaster.
We will end up just as clueless when the article 50 button is pressed, as none of the involved parties could successfully organise a car boot sale.
Might as well toss a coin and if it comes down Heads, invoke Article 50, as there is likely to be less long term damage that is worse than that caused by this delay.

 

[tillson]

Don't kid yourself! the only reason we had one was because of Tory party internal strife, absolutely nothing whatever to do with the public.
Cameron dropped the biggest political Clanger in history by offering one for fear of losing support to the UKIP, expecting he could win it easily , not realising there were even bigger liars that him in Boris, Gove and Farage, and the Murdoch Press ranged against him.
Public Decide indeed! they had no say in the matter, but took the opportunity to attack the targets false information provided them with.
And now none of the Westminster Bubble, Civil Service and Legal Profession have the slightest idea what to do to avert disaster.
We will end up just as clueless when the article 50 button is pressed, as none of the involved parties could successfully organise a car boot sale.
Might as well toss a coin and if it comes down Heads, invoke Article 50, as there is likely to be less long term damage that is worse than that caused by this delay.

UKIP forced the referendum. Le Pen will force one in France.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I don't think they will have any choice. It will be either hold a referendum or lose out to a party which will offer one. You are forgetting that the population decide, not the politicians.

Till son....I assume that was said in jest,the bit about the people decide?....it won't be long before May puts Article 50 to parliament and let's the politicians decide....don't forget the referendum was only advisory.
KudosDave

 

[mike killay]

What is this nonsense that the referendum was 'only' advisory?
Cameron promised a simple in or out vote.
'Advisory' was invented by disgruntled losers.

Half of the Conservative PCP are leavers, I hear that some of the younger ones, with promotion in mind have discovered that they were only luke warm about remain.
UKIP is waiting in the wings.
The House of Lords can return a bill from the commons, but there is some doubt that they can refuse the stated will of the people.

 

[derf]

What is this nonsense that the referendum was 'only' advisory?
Cameron promised a simple in or out vote.
'Advisory' was invented by disgruntled losers.

Half of the Conservative PCP are leavers, I hear that some of the younger ones, with promotion in mind have discovered that they were only luke warm about remain.
UKIP is waiting in the wings.
The House of Lords can return a bill from the commons, but there is some doubt that they can refuse the stated will of the people.

Perhaps,but I gather some bureau de change offer less than a euro for a pound,do you think the electorate really knew or know what the consequences of brexit is?

 

[tillson]

Perhaps,but I gather some bureau de change offer less than a euro for a pound,do you think the electorate really knew or know what the consequences of brexit is?

That's just a publicity stunt to get a section in the Daily Fail.

BREXIT is a long term investment for our futures. It's like buying stocks & shares and expecting big returns after just a few days, it won't happen, there will be ups and downs. Hold your nerve, stiff upper lip, show some English spunk, the good times will come.

 

[mike killay]

That's just a publicity stunt to get a section in the Daily Fail.

BREXIT is a long term investment for our futures. It's like buying stocks & shares and expecting big returns after just a few days, it won't happen, there will be ups and downs. Hold your nerve, stiff upper lip, show some English spunk, the good times will come.

er, British, please.

 

[derf]

That's just a publicity stunt to get a section in the Daily Fail.

BREXIT is a long term investment for our futures. It's like buying stocks & shares and expecting big returns after just a few days, it won't happen, there will be ups and downs. Hold your nerve, stiff upper lip, show some English spunk, the good times will come.

I wish you were right. Sincerely,and I'm neither trying to be clever or patronising,it absolutely cannot work in terms off the make-up of the UK economy (less manufacturing more services etc)and a globalised world in which one needs to be in a trade block.

 

[flecc]

The House of Lords can return a bill from the commons, but there is some doubt that they can refuse the stated will of the people.

With a manifesto issue like the promised referendum, the House of Commons can keep presenting a bill unchanged to the House of Lords and on the third presentation the Lords have to pass it. This is a long standing constitutional rule enforcing the will of the people.

The Lords only have final say on non manifesto bills.
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[anotherkiwi]

UKIP forced the referendum. Le Pen will force one in France.

She will have to get elected first. She has no power to force anything at the moment.

 

[mike killay]

Well, neither did Farage.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Other countries won't have the same ability to dismiss "project fear" as propaganda though because the longer this down turn in the UK economy goes on, and if / when we do actually leave and are hit by tariff's etc etc - the UK will be a shining example to the rest of the EU of who good the EU is, and why you'd be daft to leave.

Yes political reform is needed, but not at this cost surely? Us leaving could well be the catalyst for the reform we essentially wanted, but by then we'll have left so won't get the benefits.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

Even with all your words you still haven't answered my simple question

"what are you going to do about the brexit vote"


Other than rant about it on a pedelec forum which is achieving nothing
Other than filling you with self importance
Which you are doing quite well I might add
I suppose by trying to beat up my replys saves you answering the question I have asked once again.
So over too you.

ok, you've asked a direct question, so I'll answer

Personally, and professional I think I've done quite a bit. Just a couple of examples include....

I've written to my MP (labour) a number of times expressing the impact on my business, our relationships with our European partners and the negative impact it will have on the future of many people I know. We've exchanged emails now a number of times.

I've also joined the Liberal Democrats and have again written to them expressed my desire for a candidate in our area to stand on a pro EU basis at the next election. I've pledged to support this in any way I can and made a donation to the party by way of a commitment to the cause.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

With a manifesto issue like the promised referendum, the House of Commons can keep presenting a bill unchanged to the House of Lords and on the third presentation the Lords have to pass it. This is a long standing constitutional rule enforcing the will of the people.

The Lords only have final say on non manifesto bills.
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I'm no legal expert, so I don't claim to know about this... but the manifesto is a series of aims is it not? They can't "promise" anything can they?

This one jumped out at me, as one of the commitments:

We will:
keep our ambition of delivering annual net migration in the tens of thousands, not the hundreds of thousands

Its a "we will", not a we'll aim to, so that's a clear commitment on page 31 of the manifesto which they simply aren't going to do.

The bit about the referendum is interesting because within the space of 2 lines there is a direct contradiction.... with their "we will's"

We will let you decide whether to stay in
or leave the EU

We will protect Britain's economy

They can't possibly keep the aims of the the manifesto as legally binding can they?

 

[oldgroaner]

UKIP forced the referendum. Le Pen will force one in France.

They would need someone as stupid as Cameron as Prime Minister for that to happen!
UKIP didn't actually do any more than pose a threat, they had no power whatever over the actions of the Government, who chose to make a foolish decision.
Force indeed! what with? they had no chance of being the next Government by stealing the Tory vote.

 

[oldgroaner]

Our worries are all false
Daily Telegraph today
"
UK to avoid recession and world economy to ‘stabilise’ as Brexit shock passes"
Great news!
Well it would be if there was even a shred of truth behind it