Brexit, for once some facts.

[Zlatan]

What are you smoking OG... I, d change dealer if I were you. Your comments are getting more deranged.
Ps the off topic comment re Tom was in response to his continual accusation of the same. But you two are in love perhaps after all that time shared showing your dangly bits in Co op window.
Where has Robdon gone ? Has Tom forgot password for that ID??

And WTF is point of all the cut and paste? Its utterly pointless. But then again so is OG, well his posts are.
Same old same old for 40,000 posts.
Beats Corry I suppose, if you like soaps this is place to be..
Notice another care in community has joined your intimate group OG. Welcome Oyster,afraid there is no room left in Hull co op tho. You, ll have to find your own.
Tom will dig out another "info graph" (big word for Tom) to call me a Troll now.. Funny how history repeats itself..
Must dash..
Nurse.. Nurse.. OG is taking his trousers off...
Dont worry, he, s on his way to Co op.

 

[tillson]

Let us have a full list of MPs (and others in the public eye) who suggest that no-deal is a viable option.

Bank of England says no-deal Brexit would be worse than 2008 crisis

Bank warns of immediate economic crash, GDP to fall by 8%, unemployment to rise to 7.5%

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/28/bank-of-england-says-no-deal-brexit-would-be-worse-than-2008-crisis

These are stark warnings and people should listen & consider this type of information.

The problem we have is that the credibility of the official channels providing the information could not be lower. Public trust in these people is nonexistent, and with good reason.

Why has Andrea Leadsom suddenly backed the Prime Minister’s deal? It might be because she genuinely feels that it is the best option and has put the future of the country ahead of her own personal preferences. Or she might have been promised something and is doing the exact opposite. If you asked 100 people for their opinion on this, I reckon 80% would say that Leadsom, Carney and the others are acting in their own interests and not the public’s. Therefore they will not listen.

This is the problem with the Brexit debate, lack of trust & credibility on all sides. This is something which can be laid fairly at the feet of MPs and the establishment. Their poor behaviour and leadership over an extended period of time has caused it.

 

[oldgroaner]

What are you smoking OG... I, d change dealer if I were you. Your comments are getting more deranged.
Ps the off topic comment re Tom was in response to his continual accusation of the same. But you two are in love perhaps after all that time shared showing your dangly bits in Co op window.
Where has Robdon gone ? Has Tom forgot password for that ID??

And WTF is point of all the cut and paste? Its utterly pointless. But then again so is OG, well his posts are.
Same old same old for 40,000 posts.
Beats Corry I suppose, if you like soaps this is place to be..

With Brexit going down the pan, haven't you anything to do other than whinge?

 

[oldgroaner]

These are stark warnings and people should listen & consider this type of information.

The problem we have is that the credibility of the official channels providing the information could not be lower. Public trust in these people is nonexistent, and with good reason.

Why has Andrea Leadsom suddenly backed the Prime Minister’s deal? It might be because she genuinely feels that it is the best option and has put the future of the country ahead of her own personal preferences. Or she might have been promised something and is doing the exact opposite. If you asked 100 people for their opinion on this, I reckon 80% would say that Leadsom, Carney and the others are acting in their own interests and not the public’s. Therefore they will not listen.

This is the problem with the Brexit debate, lack of trust & credibility on all sides. This is something which can be laid fairly at the feet of MPs and the establishment. Their poor behaviour and leadership over an extended period of time has caused it.

Absolutely right tillson, the whole political structure of this country has lost all credibilty and no one represents the differing factions adequately

The leave camp fight among themselves without even bothering what their supporters want now.

The Remain camp are ignored completely

There is no coherent Government in power.
Nor any opposition either, parliament is nearer to resembling anarchy than democracy.
And the press appear more strident and confusing than ever.

Thus no decision reached can be other than divisive.

 

[oldgroaner]

Where is the remain map?

Hush now...official secrets act....etc., etc.

 

[oldtom]

That's never bothered you in the past, has it ?

The imbecilic trolls are so removed from reality that they fail to recognise how important a factor tax is in relation to 'Brexit'.

Firstly, they have no interest in 'Brexit' at all; their raison d'être being simply to disrupt any forum they are not disbarred from at an early stage on being identified.

Secondly, with regard to the importance of tax matters in the 'Brexit' nonsense, it is absolutely fundamental to the cause of the multi-millionaire and billionaire class and is entirely valid and bang-on topic and should be aired at every opportunity.

Some of the not quite entirely imbecilic 'Brexidiots' might just come to realise, eventually, that the major reason why so many incredibly wealthy people support the madness has nothing at all to do with the wishes or desires of those misguided common folk who voted to leave, but has everything to do with avoiding tax liability on their personal fortunes.

Tom

 

[oyster]

Firstly, ...
Secondly, ...

And thirdly, no one is in a position to ajudge tax as being off-topic, most especially when others disagree. There is no Brexit, for once some facts. police force. Obviously several think it is right on-topic.

 

[Zlatan]

The imbecilic trolls are so removed from reality that they fail to recognise how important a factor tax is in relation to 'Brexit'.

Firstly, they have no interest in 'Brexit' at all; their raison d'être being simply to disrupt any forum they are not disbarred from at an early stage on being identified.

Secondly, with regard to the importance of tax matters in the 'Brexit' nonsense, it is absolutely fundamental to the cause of the multi-millionaire and billionaire class and is entirely valid and bang-on topic and should be aired at every opportunity.

Some of the not quite entirely imbecilic 'Brexidiots' might just come to realise, eventually, that the major reason why so many incredibly wealthy people support the madness has nothing at all to do with the wishes or desires of those misguided common folk who voted to leave, but has everything to do with avoiding tax liability on their personal fortunes.

Tom

That's strange, you, ve spent months telling all and sundry saying the driving force behind Brexit was racism.
Make your mind up. Is it racism or tax avoidance.
And perhaps had the labour party not been hijacked by extremists we, d probably have a viable opposition offering an alternative and actually capable of representing remainers. It's fools like yourself stuck in some class war making Labour totally unelectable and incapable of coping with current situation.
Can you imagine Diane Abbot, McDonel and Corbyn running country. No, neither can rest of nation. Its exactly why we are in such a mess. Call a GE for labour to lose.....again.

 

[Woosh]

This is the problem with the Brexit debate, lack of trust & credibility on all sides

I would have thought that involving the voters directly into the decision making process was a bad choice, especially with reduction to a yes/no choice.
MPs are better equipped to deal with the grey area between yes and no answers. When MPs take the decision somewhere between yes and no, which is sensible because they must, you can guess not many are happy with that decision. Most people are still entrenched in their view. Yet, many still see a second referendum as the way forward.

 

[oldgroaner]

Heres a link for Zlatan
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/01/steep-rise-in-racist-incidents-after-eu-referendum-cataloged-by/
The only question is, where there enough people with racist tendencies voting for Leaving the EU to make the difference?
Not whether they actually exist or not.

 

[Woosh]

first forecast for the city: 700 billions worth of assets will be moved to Frankfurt in early 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/29/london-to-lose-800bn-to-frankfurt-as-banks-prepare-for-brexit

 

[Zlatan]

Heres a link for Zlatan
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/01/steep-rise-in-racist-incidents-after-eu-referendum-cataloged-by/
The only question is, where there enough people with racist tendencies voting for Leaving the EU to make the difference?
Not whether they actually exist or not.

Brilliant. A link from Telegraph. Don't you have your own opinions OG or is everything you decide based on propaganda/cut and paste.
And why are you answering for the bigot. Let him explain why Labour has disappeared.

 

[oldgroaner]

I would have thought that involving the voters directly into the decision making process was a bad choice, especially with reduction to a yes/no choice.
MPs are better equipped to deal with the grey area between yes and no answers. When MPs take the decision somewhere between yes and no, which is sensible because they must, you can guess not many are happy with that decision. Most people are still entrenched in their view. Yet, many still see a second referendum as the way forward.

Despite this being almost as bad an idea as the last referendum was
amounting as it will to nothing more than another popularity contest,
There is in fact no other alternative that won't make matters worse.

We don't have an operational Government opposed by an operational opposition.
This has reduced our fate to being in the hands of the faction that wins a popularity contest confused by the media and online propaganda's influence on public opinion.

 

[oldgroaner]

first forecast for the city: 700 billions worth of assets will be moved to Frankfurt in early 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/29/london-to-lose-800bn-to-frankfurt-as-banks-prepare-for-brexit

 

[oldgroaner]

Brilliant. A link from Telegraph. Don't you have your own opinions OG or is everything you decide based on propaganda/cut and paste.
And why are you answering for the bigot. Let him explain why Labour has disappeared.

Still here? didn't you like the content of the link?
Look at the date on this graphic

And racism wsn't an issue according to you.... thank goodness if this is an example of what the absence of it achieved, why it would have caused headlines like this in Metro
Places that had most Leave voters have seen the most hate crime since EU referendum

 

[Zlatan]

Despite this being almost as bad an idea as the last referendum was
amounting as it will to nothing more than another popularity contest,
There is in fact no other alternative that won't make matters worse.

We don't have an operational Government opposed by an operational opposition.
This has reduced our fate to being in the hands of a popularity contest confused the media and online propaganda's influence on public opinion.

You better sit down OG, this post almost makes sense. I agree with it.
It says something about our predicament when it seems our only hope is Teresa May..
With regards link... Didn't open it. Refuse to read any links to Telegraph.. Its utter BS.

 

[oldgroaner]

You better sit down OG, this post almost makes sense. I agree with it.
It says something about our predicament when it seems our only hope is Teresa May..
With regards link... Didn't open it. Refuse to read any links to Telegraph.. Its utter BS.

Correction Theresa May is your only hope, not mine...
With regard the the Telegraph link, Brexit goggles prevent you reading anything you find unpleasant?
No wonder you don't learn if you avoid the other side's opinions.

 

[Zlatan]

Correction Theresa May is your only hope, not mine...
With regard the the Telegraph link, Brexit goggles prevent you reading anything you find unpleasant?

So assuming she doesn't get Brexit Plan through what do you want to happen?

 

[oldgroaner]

So assuming she doesn't get Brexit Plan through what do you want to happen?

So you didn't read my post after all.
try again
"
Despite this being almost as bad an idea as the last referendum was
amounting as it will to nothing more than another popularity contest,
There is in fact no other alternative that won't make matters worse.

 

[Zlatan]

So you didn't read my post after all.
try again
"
Despite this being almost as bad an idea as the last referendum was
amounting as it will to nothing more than another popularity contest,
There is in fact no other alternative that won't make matters worse.

So you are agreeing. It's May's Brino or what ?
A GE would make no difference. A people's vote is not going to happen. So it's May's plan or no deal... She, s actually got country by short and curlies because Corbyn is such a non viable alternative.
The only other distant possibility is Tories agreeing to anither referendum and then getting a remain vote. But imagine situation if that vote comes back leave... which it could.... We crash out...
So like I said, it's May's plan or what ?
MP's are currently having all this explained. It will get through. There really is no alternative.