Nothing to do with us, this is what you knew you were voting for, have you changed your mind?
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Brexit, for once some facts.
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He'll just ask you your reason for voting leave as usualI will try to ring Jeremy again and ask him.
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And they have made us responsible for the border under WTO
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Obviously
but the question still remains,
why would they move from London for example to Dublin?
No, it's the only possible type of deal.
We Remainers warned even before the referendum that any deal would be unsatisfactory. Indeed my factual post that started this entire thread back then was to alert that was the case, using a proven example. And it wasn't only us, the EU pointed out at the outset that any leave deal would be worse than staying. It had to be of course, or there would have been a queue of 27 behind us!
If you read the early pages of this thread from before the vote you'll see how we said this was how it would end up, and how Leavers said it wouldn't. Clearly we Remainers have been right throughout.
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The only problem with all that is we had a Remainer conducting the withdrawal.
Because the Tories want to get rid of the Human Rights Act and Labour are not opposing that change so it's likely to happen once we exit. Theresa May has said as much.
So no protection from that act or the EU with their proven far better human rights record than UK courts or governments.
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TM has agreed to the backstop which will after the transition ends, in the absence of an FTA, creates a customs border between the UK and NI across the Irish Sea. They will try to make it as soft as possible but in essence, things will remain as they are in NI, ie belonging to the EU single market and separate from the rest of the UK.
It wouldn't have mattered who did that, the facts of leaving the EU club made a poor outcome inevitable, as I've explained.
Suppose you said to the RAC or AA that you were discontinuing your annual payment but still expected their breakdown services.
When they said no, would you say they were punishing you? Of course not, you'd have expected that reply and known it was reasonable.
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Not really a fair comparison the RAC and the AA wouldn't want 39 billion
thankfully thats where it all ends,
lets see how it plays out in the HoC vote.......... it won`t be going any further
No, I have no reason whatsoever to lie about anything. I'm simply relating something I was told yesterday which really surprised me as my understanding about the Luton plant was that it was under no immediate threat; indeed I understood that expansion was a strong possibility, so……..
Tom
Its not the only possible deal at all.
We can leave and take our 40 billion with us.
That is how the negotiations should have started.
Thank you, it's been great now lets work out what we get to keep after the divorce. Or if we don't get to keep it what's our rebate?
Or they can be sensible offer us a fair trade deal and thats it.
Or we can agree a Canada style agreement.
Or they can offer new improved terms and reform and let the government of the day offer a new referendum on those.
There are many ways to skin this cat. Just because the Eeyores are in charge doesn't mean this is a bad thing. What is a bad thing for us and good for the Eurocrats is Mays ridiculous deal.
More dirty doings from tommies DUP
2 days before the Referendum, the DUP bought a Metro newspaper wraparound which cost a staggering £282,000 – surely the biggest single campaign expense in the history of Irish politics - urging British voters to vote Leave. Where did that money come from?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-connects-brexit-the-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586#.W_K_akuYGHE.twitter
To recap briefly: two days before the Brexit referendum last June, the Metro freesheet in London and other British cities came wrapped in a four-page glossy propaganda supplement urging readers to vote Leave. Bizarrely, it was paid for by the DUP, even though Metro does not circulate in Northern Ireland. At the time, the DUP refused to say what the ads cost or where the money came from.
We’ve since learned that the Metro wraparound cost a staggering £282,000 (€330,000) – surely the biggest single campaign expense in the history of Irish politics. For context, the DUP had spent about £90,000 (€106,000) on its entire campaign for the previous month’s assembly elections. But this was not all: the DUP eventually admitted that this spending came from a much larger donation of £425,622 (€530,000) from a mysterious organisation, the Constitutional Research Council.
Mystery
The mystery is not why someone seeking to influence the Brexit vote would want to do so through the DUP. Disgracefully, Northern Ireland is exempt from the UK’s requirements for the sources of large donations to be declared. The mystery, rather, is who were the ultimate sources of this money and why was it so important to keep their identities secret.
On a personal note I wonder who is still paying this little gang of political Muggers to make trouble at Westminster and how much more Dark money is going their way?
2 days before the Referendum, the DUP bought a Metro newspaper wraparound which cost a staggering £282,000 – surely the biggest single campaign expense in the history of Irish politics - urging British voters to vote Leave. Where did that money come from?
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-connects-brexit-the-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586#.W_K_akuYGHE.twitter
To recap briefly: two days before the Brexit referendum last June, the Metro freesheet in London and other British cities came wrapped in a four-page glossy propaganda supplement urging readers to vote Leave. Bizarrely, it was paid for by the DUP, even though Metro does not circulate in Northern Ireland. At the time, the DUP refused to say what the ads cost or where the money came from.
We’ve since learned that the Metro wraparound cost a staggering £282,000 (€330,000) – surely the biggest single campaign expense in the history of Irish politics. For context, the DUP had spent about £90,000 (€106,000) on its entire campaign for the previous month’s assembly elections. But this was not all: the DUP eventually admitted that this spending came from a much larger donation of £425,622 (€530,000) from a mysterious organisation, the Constitutional Research Council.
Mystery
The mystery is not why someone seeking to influence the Brexit vote would want to do so through the DUP. Disgracefully, Northern Ireland is exempt from the UK’s requirements for the sources of large donations to be declared. The mystery, rather, is who were the ultimate sources of this money and why was it so important to keep their identities secret.
On a personal note I wonder who is still paying this little gang of political Muggers to make trouble at Westminster and how much more Dark money is going their way?
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You can only get a deal with the other side in agreement to negotiate. as far as they are concerned this is now history.