Brexit, for once some facts.

flecc

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"That's rich, coming from Ireland."



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What part of that don`t you understand?
Civility costs nothing.
Once again, you really have to be kidding after some of your own posts.

Look back through all my posts and all interchanges with you in this and other threads and you'll find civility was the norm from me, but often not from you,

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We should all dial it down a bit.

We can have different opinions and not be rude.

For instance imo the EU should accept that we democratically voted to leave their club and they should accept this, carry on with their project and not try and punish us for leaving.

We can still be friends and close and trade whilst allowing free movement.
 

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Not illegal though. Certainly the ethical standards fell far short of the minimum acceptable, but that does not make someone a gangster. It just makes them opportunists. The real villains were the companies taking advantage of the opportunity to avoid taxation, UK companies figuring very prominently among them.
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They got All Capone on tax evasion. Everything else was ok because they couldn't pin the extortion and racketeering on him?
 

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Tommie, I do agree that the comment about us being a drunken nation, should be challenged... .
I did not post that Ireland was a drunken nation. I responded to a post sourced from Ireland accusing the EU of being run by drunks and gangsters.

My response was a challenge, "Ireland has no drunks or gangsters?!!"

In no way did that accuse the nation. If Tommie doesn't like reaction, perhaps he should moderate his own posts to be as reasonable as mine have customarily been.
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flecc

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That's when the negitianegot start proper. Dealing with these stuffed suits in Brussels was always doomed to fail.
You're still getting confused. We've been discussing the departure deal and that is finalised and cannot be renegotiated.

The trade negotiations are yet to start of course.

The three stages of Brexit negotiation were spelled out by the Commission as soon as the out vote was known. We've completed two, now comes the third and final one, the trade talks.
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I did not post that Ireland was a drunken nation. I responded to a post sourced from Ireland accusing the EU of being run by drunks and gangsters.
My response was a challenge, "Ireland has no drunks or gangsters?!!"
In truth your response was "That's rich, coming from Ireland."

The clear inference being that as you lot come from Ireland then you must be drunkards and gangsters.
Just for the record i don`t drink and don`t have a band of gangsters accompanying my every step.
 
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flecc

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For instance imo the EU should accept that we democratically voted to leave their club and they should accept this, carry on with their project and not try and punish us for leaving.
I don't understand why Brexiters say this, it isn't true. The EU is merely saying we can't have the membership benefits without being members and paying in like the others. That's not punishing, it's being entirely reasonable and it's the same with all organisations.

We can still be friends and close and trade whilst allowing free movement.
Agreed, but it's the UK which is the villain, we are demanding no free movement. That's not friendly.
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No no no. He has a bad back!

Everyone who's had a bad back stumbles about in odd shoes stinking of red wine and brandy.

I wonder if anyone in here voted for him? Apparently the EU is completely democratic.....

Surely someone must have?
As usual you haven't a clue as to how the man was elected and can't be bothered to look it up.
I'll give you a clue he was elected and voted in in a fashion and according to a set of rules that our Prime Minister helped write the procedure on, then apparently forgot he had

"I'm a bit worried that the European parliament seems to be getting all these new powers," he said. The year was 2009, the EU's Lisbon Treaty was just about to come into force. The prime minister's admission was surprising because it was his and the other governments of the EU that had written the treaty, not the parliament or any other EU institution.

"We know that the parliament gets more powers, but why did your governments do that? Didn't you read the treaty?" the prime minister was asked. He gave no answer.

from 1989 to 2009 he was also Minister for Finances.for Luxembourg

By the time he left office, he was the longest-serving head of any national government in the EU, and one of the longest-serving democratically elected leaders in the world, his tenure encompassing the height of the European financial and sovereign debt crisis. From 2005 to 2013, Juncker served as the first permanent President of the Eurogroup.

In 2014, the European People's Party (EPP) had Juncker as its lead candidate, or Spitzenkandidat, for the Presidency of the Commission in the 2014 elections. This marked the first time that the Spitzenkandidat process was employed. Juncker is the first President that prior to the election has campaigned as a candidate for the position, a process introduced with the Treaty of Lisbon. The EPP won 220 out of 751 seats in the Parliament. On 27 June 2014, the European Council officially nominated Juncker for the position, and on 15 July 2014, the European Parliament elected him with a majority of 422 votes from a total of 729 cast.He succeeded José Manuel Barroso as President on 1 November 2014. Juncker stated that his priorities would be the creation of a digital single market, the development of an EU Energy Union, the negotiation of the Transatlantic Trade Agreement, the continued reform of the Economic and Monetary Union of the European Union—with the social dimension in mind—and a "targeted fiscal capacity" for the Eurozone, as well as to negotiate a new deal with Britain. During his leadership, the UK voted to leave the European Union in 2016.

As usual you hadn't the slightest idea of what you were talking about, had you? and let me ask you this as the logic is the same.

How many people voted Theresa May into the position of Prime Minister?
 
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"That's rich, coming from Ireland."



So you don`t accept your own Terms and Conditions of the Forum (maybe you have forgotten?)

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What part of that don`t you understand?
Civility costs nothing.
The parts you ignore? all of your posts are aggressive or derogatory, and intended to annoy and wind people up, they are almost always off topic and bereft of facts .
 
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flecc

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In truth your response was "That's rich, coming from Ireland."

The clear inference being that as you lot come from Ireland then you must be drunkards and gangsters..
No, the inference was contained in the part you deliberately omitted.

That questioned whether Ireland was free of drunks and gangsters.

You and I know very well that Ireland has and has long had it's fair share of both, certainly more than the EU employ to manage the union's affairs.

It was after all a wildly irresponsible accusation of drunks and gangsters running the EU that I responded to.

P.S. I'm teetotal too, also with no gangster associations, other than voting for some UK MPs.
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oldtom

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The clear inference being that as you lot come from Ireland then you must be drunkards and gangsters.
Let's see……'We asked 100 people, etc……highest answer on the board!…….'I'm afraid you don't get to take home a pointless trophy.'

What a great ambassador you are for the occupied territory that is Northern Ireland 'tommie'.

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oldgroaner

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We should all dial it down a bit.

We can have different opinions and not be rude.

For instance imo the EU should accept that we democratically voted to leave their club and they should accept this, carry on with their project and not try and punish us for leaving.

We can still be friends and close and trade whilst allowing free movement.
Once again another propaganda line from you
"Not punish us for leaving"
Evidence please, how are they doing this?
They have simply applied rules that we were a party to writing.
 
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oldtom

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Just for the record i don`t drink and don`t have a band of gangsters accompanying my every step.
Just for the record, I'm very surprised to hear that - your posts and the tone of your remarks always struck me as the ravings of a drunk and I have a real difficulty believing that they were the work of a sober correspondent to these pages.

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Every deal the EU has ever done has been by brinkmanship and leaving it till the very, very last moment. It's how this chaotic organisation runs.

Why would this be any different? End of a very long day countries will realise they are dealing with us directly. The EU has offered and May has weakly accepted an impossible deal. It's literally worse than you could make up.

We have nothing to lose now. It's a shame but here we are.

WTO rules. Although I doubt it will come to that. Too much at stake. We have a massive trade surplus with them in their favour. Why would they risk their own economies nose diving so Juncker and his ilk can prove a point?

Doesn't make sense.
More standard tropes from the Press
"Every deal the EU has ever done has been by brinkmanship and leaving it till the very, very last moment. It's how this chaotic organisation runs."

That is something i think you should give examples of to prove your case.

And this
"End of a very long day countries will realise they are dealing with us directly."
This hasn't happened and simply won't it's fantasy.

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"Why would they risk their own economies nose diving so Juncker and his ilk can prove a point?"

Because the loss to them is less than they have absorbed and brushed off in the past and they have new and bigger trade deals (Japan etc.,) that will replace our business already signed up. And stability of the EU group itself has a higher value than our trade which they are fully aware we can't afford to lose much more than they can.
 
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