Brexit, for once some facts.

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I'm sure that you take great comfort from your thoughts.

Its not really my thoughts though is it... its fact that you're more likely to be killed by a non migrant than you are a migrant. So by the logic employed by those with an interest of spreading fear, it would make more sense to throw everyone out, and just keep the migrants.

Also crucially, I honestly have ZERO fear of immigrants, because I know that as a male in the UK the person most likely to be responsible for my death... is me.

 

[oldgroaner]

Well we can always consult the countdown clock to see how long nothing has been happening!
https://days.to/since/uk-european-union-referendum-vote
How long before the whole thing is forgotten?
Today (day 49) for the very First time the Daily Mail front page did not carry a Brexit head or bye line!
The Daily Mirror didn't carry one either, just a critique of Corbyns website.
Telegraph was down to one bye line at the bottom of the front page "How companies can succeed post Brexit"
But the Daily Excess is still carrying on the Crusade, I wonder how long before they give up, too?
looks like the Press is losing interest for some reason, I wonder what that could be, anyone care to speculate?

 

[oldgroaner]

I'm sure that you take great comfort from your thoughts.

I find it astonishing that terrorists have such a grip on the popular imagination, look at these figures
"
Statistics on personal injury accidents on public roads in Great Britain.

In reported road traffic accidents in 2015:

• road deaths decreased by 2% compared with 2014, falling to 1,732
• the number of people seriously injured decreased by 3% to 22,137
• there were a total of 186,209 casualties of all severities
• 140,086 personal-injury road traffic accidents were reported to the police
• reported child casualties fell by 4% to 16,101, compared with 2014
• traffic volumes rose by 1.6% compared with 2014

Figures for deaths refer to people who sustained injuries which caused death less than 30 days after the accident."

Do you quiver in fear in your bed because of them? or refuse to go out on your pedelec because you are afraid?
O course not, yet compared to the miniscule threat from terrorists that is frankly over publicised, the figures above are factual, real and appalling, yet we carry on without giving them more that a fleeting thought, and quite right too.

 

[tillson]

Its not really my thoughts though is it... its fact that you're more likely to be killed by a non migrant than you are a migrant. So by the logic employed by those with an interest of spreading fear, it would make more sense to throw everyone out, and just keep the migrants.

Also crucially, I honestly have ZERO fear of immigrants, because I know that as a male in the UK the person most likely to be responsible for my death... is me.

That's a bit like saying you are more likely to be injured walking barefoot over shards of broken glass than you are walking barefoot over red hot coals, so we should do both. Of course the sensible solution is not to do either, sweep up the glass and throw cold water on the coals.

Mohammed Daleel the would be Syrian refugee / murderer who detonated himself in Germany recently is an example of the danger we are presented with. I hear that Germany are now considering taking the very sensible step of stripping anyone travelling to Syria of their German citizenship. This is what we should be doing instead of mourning the death of Miss Sultana who was despatched during a Russian air strike. Of course, this seems to be everyone's fault except Miss Sultana's.

 

[derf]

hmmm, its clearly in ISIS's interest to make you think that, and also in the security forces because they want the funding.

http://www.iss.europa.eu/uploads/media/Alert_6_Refugees_versus_terrorists.pdf

Seems to be pretty much spot on...

I don't see any actual evidence for a % of these 11 million refugees being any more of a risk that the existing domestic population.

Brexit must have pleased Isis as much as it did Putin. Breaking up the liberal alliance in the West with imaginary terrorists,without having to do anything like in France recently in the UK.

 

[oldgroaner]

Daily Telegraph
"
Britain will cover cost of billions in EU subsidies for farming, science and deprived areas after Brexit, Chancellor announces"

Will it, I wonder? They never did in the past, always finding some other use for our money by diverting it away from anywhere that could benefit the public.
They will have to change their ways to achieve this objective.
There is a caveat that this is only until 2020 and apparently the EU subsidies will continue till then.
Which rather makes the claim sound hollow!

 

[trex]

of course not.
Philip Hammond reckons the tories would spend £4.5 billions to plug a EU funding gap of £8 billions.
They'll cut the wages of farmers and researchers by half.

 

[tillson]

Daily Telegraph
"
Britain will cover cost of billions in EU subsidies for farming, science and deprived areas after Brexit, Chancellor announces"

Will it, I wonder? They never did in the past, always finding some other use for our money by diverting it away from anywhere that could benefit the public.
They will have to change their ways to achieve this objective.
There is a caveat that this is only until 2020 and apparently the EU subsidies will continue till then.
Which rather makes the claim sound hollow!

They will shovel the money into more worthwhile projects such as the state sponsored breeding programme, cash incentives for single mothers to have multiple children with multiple absent fathers and pay rises for those with absolutely no intention of working, ever.

I doubt science and innovation will see much funding. Scum of the earth all those engineers with their overalls and dirty hands.

 

[oldgroaner]

Dont you just love Boris?
"
on a visit to the United Nations in New York this weekend, Johnson appeared to change his tune, suggesting he now believed a deal could be struck that would allow the UK access to the single market with new limits on free movement rules for European workers.

“I’ve absolutely no doubt that that balance can be struck, and over the next few weeks we’ll be discussing that in the government and with our European friends and partners,” Johnson said."
What is going on?

 

[oldgroaner]

They will shovel the money into more worthwhile projects such as the state sponsored breeding programme, cash incentives for single mothers to have children with multiple children with absent fathers and pay rises for those with absolutely no intention of working, ever.

I doubt science and innovation will see much funding. Scum of the earth all those engineers with their overalls and dirty hands.

Are we indeed? you're right of course they have always regarded us in that way!

 

[trex]

Dont you just love Boris?

“I’ve absolutely no doubt that that balance can be struck, and over the next few weeks we’ll be discussing that in the government and with our European friends and partners,” Johnson said."
What is going on?

brexit is a sinking ship.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Daily Excess
"
EU migrants will STAY in UK as Home Office cuts mean it will take 140 YEARS to deport them
THERESA May will be unable to deport any EU migrants who arrive in Britain before the official Brexit date because of swingeing cuts to the Home Office, a pro-Brussels think-tank has said.
The new Prime Minister oversaw such savage cutbacks to her former department it is incapable of keeping track of the number of European migrants entering the country and organising their return, according to the Centre for European Reform (CER).

And at current rates, it would take Britain 140 YEARS to trace and deport all EU migrants, a separate study by the Migration Observatory revealed.
European citizens arriving in the UK are currently not required to sign up to any sort of database, so the Government does not even know how long they have been in the country.

The report also states that the Home Office is now woefully understaffed following six years of savage budget cuts, and has neither the personnel nor the money to create one. "

What happened to taking back control of our borders?

 

[trex]

they are saying it's not their fault if brexit delivers nothing on that front.

 

[oldgroaner]

they are saying it's not their fault if brexit delivers nothing on that front.

Rather when than if I suspect![emoji1]

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[trex]

I am fed up seeing the Pound steadily going down the proverbial drain.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. We should call off brexit for now and leave it to the next parliament.

 

[flecc]

I am fed up seeing the Pound steadily going down the proverbial drain.
It's like watching a car crash in slow motion. We should call off brexit for now and leave it to the next parliament.

It may not stop going down until it reaches parity with the euro.

At least if that happens we could scrap Brexit and join the eurozone.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Daily Excess
"
Gotcha! Juncker’s secret plans to dictate to EU nations revealed
AN EU Commission stealth plan to dictate to member Governments how they should run their countries has been unearthed by Express.co.uk.
And, as predicted by the Brexit campaign, it appears to be a thinly-veiled attempt by Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker to create a homogenised EU super-state.

The plans were in place BEFORE Britain’s historic Brexit vote in June – but they were quietly buried so as not to alert British voters to the longer-term future of the EU.

And just what is this Dastardly plan????
"Juncker’s plans are being presented as a charter on social rights – but what they actually do is dictate wage structures and employment conditions Europe-wide."

About Bloody time too! amazing that this is seen as anything other than beneficial, but then we are dealing with some entrenched attitudes to the right to persecute the lower orders in this country and unfortunately many of them fail to understand how this would be to their benefit.
"Britain had long led opposition to attempts by the Commission to standardise employment legislation, such as on remuneration, parental leave, anti-discrimination and pension reform."

As that would interere with the nice little earners that the 1% have been milking the public with, wouldn't it?

 

[oldgroaner]

Daily Excess again
"
Brexit isn’t a leap in the dark - just look at Greenland, says Ross Clark
I WISH I could have a euro – or better still a pound – for every time over the past six weeks that I have heard the expression “uncharted waters”.
While the economy dipped a little during the three-year negotiations to leave, it began to grow sharply as soon as the departure became effective in 1985. Over the following four years the Greenland economy surged by more than 50 per cent.

Obviously Greenland makes a poor comparison with Britain. It might be the largest island in the world but most of it is an uninhabitable ice cap. Even the inhabited southerly fringes make the Outer Hebrides look crowded. Greenland’s population, at 56,000, is about that of Aylesbury and it exports little other than fish.

Yet in many ways Greenland was taking a far bigger risk leaving the EU than is Britain. It stood to gain substantially from EU regional development funds, which are designed to promote the growth of peripheral, lightly-populated regions.

A tiny economy focused on one industry – Greenland’s GDP is just £2.8billion – is especially prone to economic shocks. Unlike Theresa May now, the prime minister of Greenland wasn’t going to be at the receiving end of telephone calls from world leaders anxious to do trade deals.
And yet in Greenland in 1982, as in Britain now, the doubters were proved wrong. According to Johansen, opponents of withdrawal argued that the EU would never allow Greenland to negotiate a deal as good as the one it had within the EU.

Yet three years on and Greenland managed to walk away still retaining free access to EU markets for its fish. Just as in Britain now, opponents of withdrawal seemed to think that the rest of the EU would descend into a demented, punitive rage. They forgot that trade deals come about out of mutual interest.

In Britain’s case the EU has an especially strong incentive to allow free trade to continue given that so many EU exports come here. What Greenland did win from withdrawal, however, was freedom to manage its marine resources as it wanted to."

The one thing that has been forgotten here is that the Prime instigator of EU fisheries policies was, Guess Who?
Us of course as we wanted to protect fish stocks in the North Sea, and in the case of Greenland there was never any problem with free movement of people, after all, who wants to move to an island that has nothing more than fishing to offer as a living, and on an Ice Cap at that?

Has everyone also forgotten that we negotiated an exemption to the Freedom on Movement for the Channel Isles when we joined the EU as it was agreed they were too small to accept many new bodies?

Greenland despite it's enormous amount of free space is virtually uninhabitable except for the already fully populated coastal strip and is a very similar situation to the Channel Islands in that respect.

Had the EU not allowed free access to the Greenland Fish they would have been responsible for reducing that nation to penury and there would have been a humanitarian disaster.
The "Common Interest" this commentator referred to was in fact simply that the EU does not engage in Financial deals that amount to genocide.

Or is that now to become our argument?
Agree to our terms or we'll starve and the rest of the world will blame you?
Thinking about that it might actually be a way to make Brexit work after all.
Perhaps that plan has already begun? Oh Dear, Oh Dear!

 

[oldgroaner]

Further to that bit on Greenland I also spotted this.
"Greenland retains some ties with the EU via Denmark. However, EU law largely does not apply to Greenland except in the area of trade."
"
Between 1973 and 1985, Greenland was part of the EU. Following a referendum held in 1982, it withdrew from the EU and is now associated to the EU under the Overseas Association Decision.
The public sector – enterprises and municipalities – plays a major role in Greenland's economy as does the fisheries sector.

Greenland is eligible for funding from the EU’s general budget through the EU-Greenland Partnership. For the period 2014-2020, an overall amount of €217.8 million is foreseen for the cooperation with Greenland. TheProgramming Document defining the cooperation priorities for this period was signed on 28th October 2014. The education, vocational training and post-elementary school system have been chosen as the concentration sector for the cooperation between Union and Greenland for the period 2014-2020.

In addition, the President of the Commission (on behalf of the EU), the Prime Minister of Denmark and the Greenland Premier signed on 19th March 2015 'an umbrella' framework document for the post-2013 EU-Greenland relations, a “Joint Declaration on relations between the European Union, on the one hand, and the Government of Greenland and the Government of Denmark, on the other”. By this legally and financially non-binding document, the EU confirms its long lasting links between with Greenland and reiterates the geostrategic importance of Greenland for the EU.
"Greenland is one of the 25 Overseas Countries and Territories (OCTs) associated with the European Union. Greenland is a self-governing country within the Kingdom of Denmark. The Act of Greenland Self-Government determines the constitutional status of Greenland. Greenland was part of the European Community between 1973 and 1985. Following withdrawal in 1985 (after a referendum in 1982), a Treaty ensured Greenland’s association with the European Union as an OCT."
Further to that
"
OCT - EU relations in detail


Specific characteristics of the OCTs

There are significant differences between the OCTs themselves in terms of the degree of autonomy vis-à-vis the Member States to which they are linked, their economic and social development as well as their particular geography and climate. However, they do share common characteristics: none of them is a sovereign country, they are all parliamentary democracies, they are all islands, the size of their populations is very small and their ecological richness is extraordinary compared to continental Europe.

Their location, as well as their natural wealth, grants them significant advantages as does their role as European outposts in their respective regions. At the same time, they are all vulnerable to external shocks and are in general dependent on a narrow economic base that mostly revolves around services. In this light, the objective of the partnership with the EU consists in enhancing the OCTs’ competitiveness, strengthening their resilience, reducing their economic and environmental vulnerability and promoting cooperation between them and other partners. Specific arrangements are therefore established regarding trade and trade-related cooperation, while financial cooperation is foreseen in order to assist OCTs in their sustainable development.



Legal framework

Under Part IV of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (Articles 198 to 204), "the Member States agree to associate with the Union the non-European countries and territories which have special relations with Denmark, France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom" (Article 198)

So it would appear that Greenland isn't entirely free of the EU but a client and subject to it's laws regarding trade.

 

[tillson]

Another attack on the public, this time in Switzerland. I'm have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that a set of synthetic circumstances will be constructed to convince us all that the perpetrator is a Swiss National (whatever that means these days), and or, that he suffers from a mental illness.