Old groaner,
There you go again, negativity and bias
What I am saying is we are clearly in a negotiation, just as Cameron pretended to do. Where he went absolutely wrong is in the little England idea that we the uk needed concessions or exceptions. No wonder he failed
What we are talking about is a system that is not working, is failing and is unable to recognise it or compromise for the whole of Europe. We can all benefit
The economy is failing, imagration policy is failing, restrictive business practices are failing, no trading deals with the rest of the world, Europe army, don't make me laugh
Like any negotiation you cannot get anything unless you are prepared to walk away from a bad deal, unless you are prepared to pres your advantages and convictions
Yes absolutely a vote for br exit will give us that chance, so you call that blackmail. That's very sad!!!, negative and frankly a loser before you begin
You could always emigrate
Off you go again, why should I emigrate? This country is too important to me to enjoy watching what is essentially Brexiters seeking to turn the country into a ready made victim for either the Americans or Chinese to scoop up because it hasn't the confidence in itself to operate as part of a large organisation, where it is one voice among many.
So you propose we walk away from a "Bad deal" which has incidentally over the years brought many benefits, into a totally uncertain future led by an inept political class who's past failures made us seek shelter in the common market where we have prospered?
You apparently ignore the facts that you attribute to the EU that actually apply to us.
"The economy is failing, imagration policy is failing, restrictive business practices are failing, no trading deals with the rest of the world, Europe army, don't make me laugh"
The immigration situation has been made worse by our own governments inept control in losing so many of them, hasn't it? and through not using the instruments of control that Gove doesn't even know he already has to prevent or exclude criminals.
And our coastline is defenceless.
Yes indeed our economy is actually failing regardless of short term results as our debts continue to rise, and as for the European Army, which as yet does not exist (and may never do.)
Tell me the advantage of having a huge army that could be used against us at the channel shore rather than being on the same side?
That is wisdom to you?
Lets cut to the chase: What has being on our own got to actually offer for the future?
Nothing tangible at all, no Markets to exploit to replace the EU with goods that we make a ourselves.
Note
ourselves as we have no industry to speak of that isn't foreign owned and may well decide to pull out, or blackmail us as Tata has done
We no longer have a Merchant Navy to ship these none existent home produced goods.
No coastal defences worthy of the name.
our Armed Forces reduced to a shadow of their former selves.
Resources? well we have oil that's too expensive to extract.
Coal that we buy elsewhere as its cheaper.
Metals that we stopped mining on cost 100 years ago.
If and when the banks move to the Far East as they intend, bang goes the financial swindles that keep us going now.
All these things need to be changed overnight for us to be able to thrive, and you think it is a "Neat idea?"
This country cannot expect to bully the EU to get it's own way, the odds are greatly against that.
We are effectively if Brexit is passed seeking a divorce from Europe
Influence the Europeans to change?
About as much chance of that as the man in the divorce case has of coming out winning.
Already the French president is making threatening noises and they wont be the only ones if we pull out.
They are going to make it hard and become enemies economically where we had friends before,
And for what? a Fantasy of an Island paradise free and prosperous?
Sorry, not convincing, just not practical at all.