Brexit, for once some facts.

Woosh

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Quite clearly the Government is preparing the Propaganda campaign for Brexit: the Victory, by bribing the public with "New fully retractable Tax Cuts" into seeing any Deal they can cobble up as being the only way to hang onto the "Dosh"
the tax cuts are going to stay. True to Tories' way of sharing tax burden, £130 tax cut for all taxpayers, £860 for higher band taxpayers.
What Hammond said was he still has £15 billions in reserve in case of no deal. My guess he'll spend it to concrete over part of Kent.
 

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The Garden of England becomes the paved Garden of England.

And HS1 becomes LS1 while all the passports of the train passengers are checked.

Oh Brexiters, what have you done.
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You mentioned Garden of England.
It's not just Kent. I was walking along the promenade at the top of Gold Hill in Shaftesbury last Sunday. Looking down below at England's green and pleasant land and not seeing a single black face on the promenade, it's quite easy to see why Dorset voted 61% - 39% to leave. I reckon as far as the town's folk is concerned, Hammond can concrete as much Kent as he likes, they'd still vote the same at the next referendum.
 
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TM may have done enough to get her budget in before announcing a deal with the EU but will she get it through parliament?
Coral has 4/1 bet that we will still be in the EU by 1/1/2020.
 
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You mentioned Garden of England.
It's not just Kent. I was walking along the promenade at the top of Gold Hill in Shaftesbury last Sunday. Looking down below at England's green and pleasant land and not seeing a single black face on the promenade, it's quite easy to see why Dorset voted 61% - 39% to leave. I reckon as far as the town's folk is concerned, Hammond can concrete as much Kent as he likes, they'd still vote the same at the next referendum.
They're living in a fools paradise, they'll get black residents whether they like it or not. My black nephew in law (also a Tony like us) lived in Corfe Castle village in Dorset up to his death a year or so ago and was a valued volunteer helping to keep the Swanage Heritage Steam Railway going. His son is a volunteer Swanage lifeboatman.
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I rather liked the good News in the Express
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'Britons would NEVER vote again!' Brexiteer warns Theresa May UK must FULLY cut ties to EU
BREXIT supporter and radio host Iain Dale claimed some Britons would “never vote again” should Britain not fully cut ties with the European Union.

The Brexit supporter added that if the UK doesn’t really leave the European Union, Leave voters who came out for the first time during the referendum will “never vote again”.

Excellent! if that was the best decision they have made they won't be missed, and do no further harm
 

oldgroaner

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Here is another quote so popular these day
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That is not what 17.4million people voted for

Iain Dale

And just how do you know?

And the other Urban Myth
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Don´t you think remainers trying to overturn democracy in this country is extreme?

How does having another referendum overturn democracy ?
Where did it say in the introductory bill for it this decision stood for all time?
 
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oldgroaner

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Here is a reader comment in the Express
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Jack 886
This guy is right. Democracy is under threat. For goodness sake, thousands of people marched to undermine the process last week including democratically elected MP's.These people MUST be defeated. We must leave the EU or faith in the franchise will be permanently damaged.

You have to wonder what passes as logic with this individual
 
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We must leave the EU or faith in the franchise will be permanently damaged.

You have to wonder what passes as logic with this individual
He could have said 'We must leave the EU or faith in the [conservative/UKIP] party will be permanently damaged'.
He must be thinking that one way to punish the leadership of his party is not to vote.
 
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flecc

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You have to wonder what passes as logic with this individual
His Leaver logic is that right cannot become wrong, decisions he agrees with are both democratic and unchangeable.

Of course our Remainer logic tends to be the opposite, what is wrong cannot become right. Hence the impasse (a French word in true Remainer spirit!).
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His Leaver logic is that right cannot become wrong, decisions he agrees with are both democratic and unchangeable.

Of course our Remainer logic tends to be the opposite, what is wrong cannot become right. Hence the impasse (a French word in true Remainer spirit!).
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You could have said punto muerto (literally dead point) which I find more appropriate in the present situation because you can always back out of an impasse.
 

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You could have said punto muerto (literally dead point) which I find more appropriate in the present situation because you can always back out of an impasse.
I suppose the Spanish borrow the French words 'point mort' as in gearboxes.
The comparison with current brexit situation is pretty good.
 
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oldgroaner

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His Leaver logic is that right cannot become wrong, decisions he agrees with are both democratic and unchangeable.

Of course our Remainer logic tends to be the opposite, what is wrong cannot become right. Hence the impasse (a French word in true Remainer spirit!).
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What we need more is a bypass [emoji3]

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Both options, Leave or Stay are a step into the unknown. I am saying that you can't predict what will happen if we leave, you can guess but that is all. Your forecast is no more certain than any other prediction.
My guess is that we can maintain a friendly and peaceful relationship with Europe whilst selling to the countries which want our goods and services. Similarly, we can buy goods from those countries which offer something appealing to us. That has happened since the beginning of time and it will continue with or without the EU, history is on our side.

The EU stance seems to indicate that friendship, cooperation and trade will be stamped out, extinguished and not be allowed to flourish unless we surrender increasing amounts of our independence to this faceless system which no one seems to identify with. It does not have to be like that, we can be friends with the EU after Brexit. Of course, if another EU nation repays our friendship and help with acts of open hostility and aggression in the form of an invasion (as seems to be prophesised by the IN Campaign), we have our Trident missile system with which to defend ourselves.
So, you think that using a Trident Missile will ensure our defence??
If nuclear missiles are ever actually used then you better go for your last 4 minute bike ride while you can!
 

oldgroaner

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Amazing what you find on Twitter from a Pentagon Official (Senior Director at the Dept of Defense) no less
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Michael Carpenter‏Verified account @mikercarpenter 17h17 hours ago

Truly stunning that with so much evidence of Russian interference in the Brexit referendum, the UK government’s reaction is (1) to firmly embrace Brexit as though they had all campaigned for it; (2) to dismiss calls for an investigation; (3) to resist talk of a 2nd referendum.

Here's another little gem this time from the Observer.


Straight from the proverbial Horse's Mouth: Andy Wigmore :cool:

Ironic isn't it?
These Clowns actually knew what 17 Million plus were Voting for! ( and managed to conceal it)
 
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