Brexit, for once some facts.

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Again, Guardian:


Tory MP says she would back new Brexit vote


Heidi Allen calls rightwing critics of PM’s Chequers plan ‘economically irresponsible’


Question: If the leavers had a clear majority right now, and talk of a second referendum were effectively only on precisely which package, would any of the leavers be complaining about it?
 
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If Corbyn thinks he can utilise Brexit to redistribute wealth and start his "luxury communism" it ridicules your claim of Brexit being purely for the wealthy.
It totally depends on what you do with Brexit when you get it. (or if you get it)
Planely a Tory Brexit would be a different animal to a Labour one.
No it doesn't, how on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Where is the mass of support for his idea?
And again I repeat, as you seem unable to understand my previous post
Brexit is a construct of the rich for the rich, and you have no evidence otherwise
The support of the public for Bexit was based on simple reasons
  1. They had been conditioned to Blame the EU for all ills including Austerity
  2. The Government wanted to remain so they didn't to spite them and strike back at the EU as in their incorrect view if the Government kept blaming it, why did they want to keep it?
  3. The Mass of the Voters were taken in by promises of better things after Brexit, and anything said against it was branded "Project Lies"
  4. Because of wanting to hit the government and being taken in by the lies, the leave vote had a marginal win.
Basically Zlatan you are no socialist are you? and despite being shown in this forum evidence of their fiscal incompetence and the economic damage they have done for years, your real fear is that Labour will get it's hands on your assets.
Don't worry about it, the Tory party will erode them first, as necessary moves to keep the dream alive and protect their offshore investments..
What are they offering now?

Perhaps it won't be as bad as expected?
Hang on there, we were told to expect an imediate improvement, not having to wait a generation to get back to where we are now.

Global Britain will be trading with the world?
The Germans already do while in the EU, so why don't we?

No deal is better than a bad deal?
With the WTO in grave danger of collapse?
Even Grease Smug's ERG have abandonded crashing out as realisation of the consequences dawned on them

You claim you don't like the fact that 48% aren't represented?

Why would you care about the 48% when you voted leave?
the pretense you put up over representation the 48% is great cover for waging a campaign of disinformation on here against the labour party as it now is.under Corbyn, and continuous repetition of propaganda attacks on him and other members of a party you try pass yourself off rather unconvincingly as a champion of.

I enjoy your attempts at appearing as "The Voice of reason"
But to be honest, while amusing, they need more work
 
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No it doesn't, how on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Where is the mass of support for his idea?
And again I repeat, as you seem unable to understand my previous post
Brexit is a construct of the rich for the rich, and you have no evidence otherwise
The support of the public for Bexit was based on simple reasons
  1. They had been conditioned to Blame the EU for all ills including Austerity
  2. The Government wanted to remain so they didn't to spite them and strike back at the EU as in their incorrect view if the Government kept blaming it, why did they want to keep it?
  3. The Mass of the Voters were taken in by promises of better things after Brexit, and anything said against it was branded "Project Lies"
  4. Because of wanting to hit the government and being taken in by the lies, the leave vote had a marginal win.
Basically Zlatan you are no socialist are you? and despite being shown in this forum evidence of their fiscal incompetence and the economic damage they have done for years, your real fear is that Labour will get it's hands on your assets.
Don't worry about it, the Tory party will erode them first, as necessary moves to keep the dream alive and protect their offshore investments..
What are they offering now?

Perhaps it won't be as bad as expected?
Hang on there, we were told to expect an imediate improvement, not having to wait a generation to get back to where we are now.

Global Britain will be trading with the world?
The Germans already do while in the EU, so why don't we?

No deal is better than a bad deal?
With the WTO in grave danger of collapse?
Even Grease Smug's ERG have abandonded crashing out as realisation of the consequences dawned on them

You claim you don't like the fact that 48% aren't represented?

Why would you care about the 48% when you voted leave?
the pretense you put up over representation the 48% is great cover for waging a campaign of disinformation on here against the labour party as it now is.under Corbyn, and continuous repetition of propaganda attacks on him and other members of a party you try pass yourself off rather unconvincingly as a champion of.

I enjoy your attempts at appearing as "The Voice of reason"
But to be honest, while amusing, they need more work
So please explain why Corbyn wants Brexit. He wants to enslave the poor and create tax havens for rich and do away with workers rights and H&S..to increase profits I suppose. You really do miss the point on purpose don't you.
 

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Question: If the leavers had a clear majority right now, and talk of a second referendum were effectively only on precisely which package, would any of the leavers be complaining about it?
Probably not.
 

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……..Only on the internet and they are called trolls!

Just as an aside, I believe trolls can't have children as that requires two people of different gender because singleton attempts don't quite achieve procreation…..thankfully!

Tom
Haven't you got some kids to harass at Eton or JRM to pester. Was almost pleasant on here whilst you were skulking away annoying folk.
 
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oldgroaner

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So please explain why Corbyn wants Brexit. He wants to enslave the poor and create tax havens for rich and do away with workers rights and H&S..to increase profits I suppose. You really do miss the point on purpose don't you.
On the Contrary it is you that once again is confused, as he stands for none of those things, were you attempting to be humorous?
He mistakes the EU as being essentially a Capitalist construct when it is not.
It certainly has Capitalist components but also Socialist imperative too, nd a programme to improve both the environment and the lives and conditions of the Citizenship, in a balance sadly lacking this side of the channel

He means well, but he has delusions of adequacy of not merely himself,but British Industry,Management, the Financial and Banking sector, and a lack of understanding of how meagre our resources truly are after a generation of neglect, privatisation and selling off of the family silver.

He is a deluded as the Brexit Voters were, and worst of all has a parochial view of socialism as a one nation only effort.

His "Big picture" stops at the low tide line.
The EU is in fact the way forward towards a better future than we can manage on our own.
 
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'I saw myself in Dr Ford's words': protesters tell of Jeff Flake elevator confrontation
After Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher challenged senator, he called for an FBI investigation into Kavanaugh case

How come our great deal maker, who would obviously give the UK the best deal in history, hasn't tweeted "Flake News"?
 
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oldgroaner

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Haven't you got some kids to harass at Eton or JRM to pester. Was almost pleasant on here whilst you were skulking away annoying folk.
I like this guy, he's funny, not in tillson's class, when comes to creative prose its true but he does show promise.
Commendable effort there....
 
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I like this guy, he's funny, not in tillson's class, when comes to creative prose its true but he does show promise.
Commendable effort there....
You know what they say about prose.? It's like pornography, hard to define but you know it when you see it. Tillson is very adept with his language.
But thanks. If you ever got sensible with your politics I, m sure we could get along just fine. In mean time... I, m off to bed.
Just to get last word, until you get it. Did you bother reading the link about Corbyn's EU history. No, I didn't think so. He must have that all wrong too.
 

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'I saw myself in Dr Ford's words': protesters tell of Jeff Flake elevator confrontation
After Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher challenged senator, he called for an FBI investigation into Kavanaugh case

How come our great deal maker, who would obviously give the UK the best deal in history, hasn't tweeted "Flake News"?
Here we go again....:cool:
 
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oldgroaner

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You know what they say about prose.? It's like pornography, hard to define but you know it when you see it. Tillson is very adept with his language.
But thanks. If you ever got sensible with your politics I, m sure we could get along just fine. In mean time... I, m off to bed.
Just to get last word, until you get it. Did you bother reading the link about Corbyn's EU history. No, I didn't think so. He must have that all wrong too.
I read it? so what? am I supposed to be impressed beause he is Eurosceptic?
Hell's teeth, haven't you understood it really doesn't make any difference?
 
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