Brexit, for once some facts.

oldgroaner

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You are seriously suggesting that the drop in the £ and the € against every other major world currency since Brexit is not because of Brexit?
Yes, it's all my fault, Flud said so.
Following that logic if we had all voted 100 % for Brexit all would have been well and no ripples stirred the calm waters of the financial world.
Do I believe that? No sounds good to me.
 
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A big yes, of course it is.
Economics is 10% policy and 90% confidence. You and your ilk have destroyed the latter. Brexit hasn't even happened ffs.
Something that hasn't happened seems to have done a hell of a lot of damage, lord knows what the result be when it does, lets hit Article 50 and find out yes?
If this is the result of making a "Good decision over Brexit" lets hope we steer clear of making any bad ones!
 
A big yes, of course it is.
Economics is 10% policy and 90% confidence. You and your ilk have destroyed the latter. Brexit hasn't even happened ffs.
Yes, and do you know why confidence has been destroyed...... BY BREXIT.

Just the concern about it happening has caused this, what do you think will happen if it actually happens, and we loose things like the banking passport?

The london finance sector contributes over 11% of the income to the UK's tax purse. The impact if this industry is tempted over to the EU if we leave is huge! Its the legitimate concerns of the experts thats causing this, which is because of Brexit.

You can't just bury your head in the sand and say it'll be ok because you want it to be.
 
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Yes, and do you know why confidence has been destroyed...... BY BREXIT.

Just the concern about it happening has caused this, what do you think will happen if it actually happens, and we loose things like the banking passport?

The london finance sector contributes over 11% of the income to the UK's tax purse. The impact if this industry is tempted over to the EU if we leave is huge! Its the legitimate concerns of the experts thats causing this, which is because of Brexit.

You can't just bury your head in the sand and say it'll be ok because you want it to be.
Yes its totally self fulfilling. How can you blame brexit when its not happened ?

Its purely expectations, and this place has been worst I,ve seen for lowering them.
 
Yes its totally self fulfilling. How can you blame brexit when its not happened ?

Its purely expectations, and this place has been worst I,ve seen for lowering them.
The vote has happened.... that is enough to cause the problems, everything is now resetting around the concerns about what this means for the UK.

The fact that the expectations from everyone is gloomy should show you what a bad decision this is.
 

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Yes its totally self fulfilling. How can you blame brexit when its not happened ?

Its purely expectations, and this place has been worst I,ve seen for lowering them.
Brexit, the decision to leave the EU, is a disaster for the simple reason that it will leave us isolated with our proven failures. Failure like our long standing appallingly low productivity for example. Failure like the continuous losses of all our industries and much of our commerce to others over the last 50 years.

These haven't been caused by anyone currently talking down this country, they are factual long term failures, leading to the inevitable conclusion that we are not equipped to succeed in isolation in a competitive world that performs so much better than we do.
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Think I agree with Homer. This thread has given all the noisy stayers a vehicle to pedal their negativity, which has caused all problems we,ve recently witnessed, not Brexit. From blaming things on Brexit which were decided months ago, drop in pound , its all a consequence of threads and such like this spreading the gloom and dividing country.
The fact that its generally the stayers who have continued on here says something as well.
Time to close thread.
My thoughts too Flud, especially the parts I've underlined.

The few "noisy stayers" will dominate this thread and keep it alive for many months to come I fear.

They appear to be the consensus on here, just like the pre-vote polls, so maybe they're still not the real majority.
 
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The london finance sector contributes over 11% of the income to the UK's tax purse. The impact if this industry is tempted over to the EU if we leave is huge!
If Britain initiates the leave process, which should really have been done by now, the London financial centre will become a target for the French and Germans in particular. They will want to ensure Britain suffers for its actions and there is no good reason why London should remain the main European banking interchange and a major world player. Frankfurt is probably best equipped to take over that role but there are several other large financial centres which could easily handle the volume of trade which currently goes through London.

That could be a blessing in disguise because we would be forced then to ensure our major exporting industries up their game and bring in the revenues lost from the banking operation......oh hang on!

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They appear to be the consensus on here, just like the pre-vote polls, so maybe they're still not the real majority.
if the express polls only 42% of their readers still for brexit and 12% don't know then you know where the majority is roughly. The broblem for the 17m brexiters is nearly the rest of the world don't trust brexit has a future.
 
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My thoughts too Flud, especially the parts I've underlined.

The few "noisy stayers" will dominate this thread and keep it alive for many months to come I fear.

They appear to be the consensus on here, just like the pre-vote polls, so maybe they're still not the real majority.
All they have done is repeat the same things again and again. Initially its expressing opinion then it becomes an attempt to convince rest of us of their righteousness...
There is even a attitude if gloating when their negativity produces an effect ...its then" I told you so"...They think they are the informed ones, when in reality they are anything but and are actually causing the very things they attribute to brexit..
 

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There must be innumerable political fora available where this subject could be discussed with a much wider interested audience of participants.
180 pages for a single thread is a record in this site, almost double the previous 100 page record.

That seems to indicate a very interested audience. Because you don't like the majority of that audience is not a reason for censorship, just don't enter the thread if you don't like it.
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All they have done is repeat the same things again and again. Initially its expressing opinion then it becomes an attempt to convince rest of us of their righteousness...
There is even a attitude if gloating when their negativity produces an effect ...its then" I told you so"...They think they are the informed ones, when in reality they are anything but and are actually causing the very things they attribute to brexit..
I wish you were right Flud. I'd much rather be wrong on an anonymous ebike forum than take the financial hit I've taken since Brexit. I have a strong hunch we've all taken a serious hit. The profit you made on the property in France is due to a devaluing of the pound - and of everything you own in the UK. I also own property in France. Its not a profit when part of ones portfolio devalues. I even wish you were right so that I didn't have to take the damage I'm about to take over the next few months/years. I'm sure all of us on this thread have a considerable vested interest financially in the UK and in its economy working. Unfortunately Brexit genuinely is probably the most damaging thing that will have happened in our lifetimes to us individually, and the country as a whole economically. I wish this wasn't the case. I'm the kind of burnt out middle aged soul who'd happily trade all my righteousness for a good cappuccino, ffs. The exasperation of remainers you see on this thread is fuelled by the denial of 17 million leavers about what's really happening.
 

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All they have done is repeat the same things again and again. Initially its expressing opinion then it becomes an attempt to convince rest of us of their righteousness...
There is even a attitude if gloating when their negativity produces an effect ...its then" I told you so"...They think they are the informed ones, when in reality they are anything but and are actually causing the very things they attribute to brexit..
And what have you done Flud? Apart from attacking the French? You have stuck to the same line all along with no thought whatever to the social consequences so long as a profit can be made, the fate of the lower orders doesn't concern you one bit does it, and you hide behind the ignore button when you have no cogent argument to offer.

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I wish you were right Flud. I'd much rather be wrong on an anonymous ebike forum than take the financial hit I've taken since Brexit. I have a strong hunch we've all taken a serious hit. The profit you made on the property in France is due to a devaluing of the pound - and of everything you own in the UK. I also own property in France. Its not a profit when part of ones portfolio devalues. I even wish you were right so that I didn't have to take the damage I'm about to take over the next few months/years. I'm sure all of us on this thread have a considerable vested interest financially in the UK and in its economy working. Unfortunately Brexit genuinely is probably the most damaging thing that will have happened in our lifetimes to us individually, and the country as a whole economically. I wish this wasn't the case. I'm the kind of burnt out middle aged soul who'd happily trade all my righteousness for a good cappuccino, ffs. The exasperation of remainers you see on this thread is fuelled by the denial of 17 million leavers about what's really happening.
Nonsense.
What's going on is a direct result of all the doom mongerers.
Nothing had actually changed, apart from confidence , destroyed by such as this rubbish
 

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Nonsense.
What's going on is a direct result of all the doom mongerers.
Nothing had actually changed, apart from confidence , destroyed by such as this rubbish
Foolish remark from someone who should know better.
The entire financial system of the world is, in the final analysis based entirely on confidence, and little else.

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Nonsense.
What's going on is a direct result of all the doom mongerers.
Nothing had actually changed, apart from confidence , destroyed by such as this rubbish
Flud... have you not seen? The UK voted to leave the EU. How can you claim nothing has changed???

That is a big change and its had major consequences, and we're all now trying to plan and deal with the decision. We've just cut all marketing for one of our brands in an attempt to stem the need for a price rise caused by the devaluation of the £. So the magazines / shows we were due to spend with, will have less income... that is a direct impact of Brexit and we're small fry.

If / when we do actually leave there will be further implications, especially if we leave the single market.

Destroyed confidence is just one result of Brexit.
 

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The pound is recovering a little after the Canadian Clown tried his hardest to devalue it yesterday. Looks like he's heading for another custard pie in his face.

Who appointed this buffoon, we have a ready supply of home-grown ones without importing more.
 
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Flud... have you not seen? The UK voted to leave the EU. How can you claim nothing has changed???

That is a big change and its had major consequences, and we're all now trying to plan and deal with the decision. We've just cut all marketing for one of our brands in an attempt to stem the need for a price rise caused by the devaluation of the £. So the magazines / shows we were due to spend with, will have less income... that is a direct impact of Brexit and we're small fry.

If / when we do actually leave there will be further implications, especially if we leave the single market.

Destroyed confidence is just one result of Brexit.
Destroyed confidence I a result of Osbourne and folk continually repeating the same negative rhetoric, as seen on here.
Had Brexit been embraced with open minds , let alone positive attitudes god forbid, we would have seen none of this
I,m sorry ktm but I put all this down to many peoples sheer negativity and stubborness. Absolutely nothin has actually changed, yet irs blamed fir everything..
The simple fact is yes uk can cope outside EU, we haven't left and the stayers have kicked such a fuss up THEY have overshadowed anything brexit might do..
The whole issue has been pre-empted, its attitudes that have caused problems. Nit brexit. The panicking, chattering masses...all jumping on negative bandwagon. .
It has been quite pathetic.
And Forums such as this have given many a soap box to shout their nonsense from, then low and behold that negativity that causes all the issues is dismissed..
 
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