Perhaps it is the right way to determine mood.
However the elected representatives have then to decide on the actual way ahead. So majority for hanging post misc, events means by treaty we don't etc.
It's mood not law we decided.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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However the elected representatives have then to decide on the actual way ahead. So majority for hanging post misc, events means by treaty we don't etc.
It's mood not law we decided.
I am aware of the jury rules and what you say in that regard is correct. The rules are known in advance and sentence or acquittal is measured against a set of pre-determined and clearly stated parameters. everyone goes into the process knowing what the deal is.
The parameters for the referendum were that a majority wins, no caveats were imposed such as at least 60% of the population must vote out for it to be carried. Perhaps that rule or similar should have been applied but it wasn't. The deal was whichever side of the vote was greater than 50% would be carried. Them's the rules & that's the deal, end of.
The truth is that remain thought they were going to win, but by a slim majority. They assumed that by imposing a minimum percentage for a vote to be carried, it would scupper the plan. Well it has bitten them on the @rse and now they are trying to re-write the rule book. That is all that needs to be said. Sorry.
Personally I don't think anyone in any position of power trying to re-write the rule book, and I'm not arguing with anything you've said above.
However I would add that I think not only did "remain" expect to win, "leave" expected to loose, so they could carry on the fight. The result caught everyone in power by surprise.
I still believe there will be some negotiation over the next 6-12 months that is considered enough in a change in the terms of our memebership of the EU that it will be considered enough for the plans for article 50 to be shelved.
This will keep both sides of the power battle happy, as UKIP can go on complaining whilst the country benefits from its EU membership.
Are we assuming you have then ? Perhaps it should be anybody that agrees with you is intelligent enough to vote..And that's your idea of democracy..
And my point about negativity and the BS put out by Osbourne dragging pound down is totally over your head..so you cant vote either.
Just tell me one actual thing Brexit vote changed...nothing... So the only things that have caused dropping/ fluctuation is the loss of confidence caused by all the leavers talking BS and by certain folk,namely German banks, speculating...In effect nothing at all to do with Brexit.
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And just let folk who agree with you vote ? Or just those with degrees perhaps ? Or those in mensa ? Or christians?
Yep..good idea Trex. First step towards civil war. " you cant vote trex says you aren't well enough informed"
Its sort of a reverse catch 22. Anybody who thinks like that should not be allowed to vote ?? Perhaps.
brexit changes the direction of the UK economic policy.
A lot of investors do not think that it is better to be out of the EU than in, therefore confidence in our future success evaporates, they are pulling their money out, about 50 billions a month, and that withdrawal of funds causes the drop in value for sterling.
any democratic decision can be reversed by another democratic decision.
That how we should seek to reverse the last referendum.
I do so like your style, it almost works, however you did actually post this
"The EU needs to reform and after that it could be a very good thing, but they won't unless they are backed into a corner. As we have seen, the EU leaders are bullies and only way to deal with bullies is to hurt them. We might end up with a black eye, but that will heal and after that life will be better without the bullies. If enough people turn against them, which is highly likely, they will be destroyed and something new and better can replace the current EU."
Which proved my point exactly, you want to bully them and not use Democratic means, don't you?
Unfortunately you'll have to explain to Flud for me, he's taken his ball home and pressed the "Ignore" button again,(I suspect he's in training for the day when we adopt the Norway option and all we can do is suck our thumbs and not know what the EU are up to)
The ignore button is ideal for training for that methinks.
Now it's the German's Fault Flud?
Nice try!
And this from a person whose idea of democratic debate is to hide behind the ignore button!
That's completely different to your original stance...Not quite a U turn but not far off..
This is exactly what I forecast in this thread ahead of the referendum and had Brexiters telling me I was wrong and that Nissan was here to stay.
Fully leaving the EU will mean the beginning of such businesses departing and none from overseas setting up here in their place. Why would any business want to be in a small isolated market when they could be a stone's throw away in a single market six times the size?
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No, the Brexist vote changed everything about the investment climate. From cautious optimism that the world's economy could continue to climb from the 2008 recession, the atmosphere has been changed to one of pessimism and genuine fear of a new recession.
Yes, confidence is what motivates investment and lack of confidence kills investment.
No, no investor decides on amateur comment, BS or otherwise.
Their speculation is everything to do with the Brexit vote outcome, it created the opportunity to speculate on the changed circumstance.
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