it is whatever the MPs decide.
If you want to change MPs' decision, then you need to vote them out first.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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If you want to change MPs' decision, then you need to vote them out first.
Sorry, not sensible, expedient.
The only sensible solution is for parliament to resume charge of what is in their sole domain, by cancelling withdrawal from the EU.
Then, as a majority Remainer government, if they still wish to put it to the public, do it correctly this time by a general election with Remaining as the leading manifesto item, i.e. choose us and you choose Remain.
As a manifesto item that will also prevent the Lords blocking the will of the Commons and of the People.
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Of course, the brexit mob weren't pushing and pushing for it to be done, were they?
I'll also point out that A50 expressly identifies that rejoin would be subject to A49.
Article 49
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/136-article-49.html
there is no majority remainer government for the foreseeable future.
there is a majority of MPs for remain, but that's not the same thing.
The conservatives are still the most likely party to govern because the majority of voters don't want JC for PM and the conservative membership wants brexit.
It's only in the unlikely scenario where you have a coalition government with the LibDems that brexit can be reversed.
Some thoughts on the evil, fascist regime currently forming the UK government:
Meanwhile, for the billionaire, global companies, it's business as usual and IKEA knows its market extremely well so expects to make a profit on these items........
Tom
Meanwhile, for the billionaire, global companies, it's business as usual and IKEA knows its market extremely well so expects to make a profit on these items........
Tom
that is true if we leave matter like they are until brexit day.
The EU would rather cancel brexit if circumstances permit.
If for example, the talks in Brussels collapse, TM calls a snap election, A50 may be then extended by mutual consent - then a new government may call EURef2 to seek a mandate to revoke A50.
I think the majority of Tory MPs are Remainers, in which case there is a remainer government. Even Theresa May is a Remainer, just implementing the referendum outcome.
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the majority of their MPs may be remainers but the majority of their membership are brexiters, it's the membership that chooses the PM who chooses his/her ministers and thus decide on the immediate future of the UK. You can't change that, it's the same system that elected JC leader of the opposition.
If you have for example Ed Milliband leading the opposition, there is no way that the ERG would wield so much power.
But they chose Remainer Theresa May, so if she called a general election with her current majority Remainer MPs, they would be a Remainer government on offer. And they'd win.
Or very much better, David Miliband.
(Yes, as I keep pointing out to posters, there's one L in Miliband)
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no chance, conservative manifesto will support brexit for the foreseeable future. DC has let the genie out of the bottle.
Their activists and membership won't have remain as an option, no more than Labour would ever put privatising the NHS in their manifesto even if the UK runs a huge budget deficit.
yes, but he has to be elected first and this is tricky, I can't see any by-election where he can apply.
Considering how Ed shafted him, he could stand as an independent in Ed's Doncaster North constituency.
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that would defeat the objective of DM ever becoming Labour leader.Considering how Ed shafted him, he could stand as an independent in Ed's Doncaster North constituency.
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The UK is in such a bind - I bet DC would not have foreseen it in a million years.
Best way out is to let the conservatives do their worse then something good will come out of it later on.
Who knows, there may be a Nobel prize or two in there somewhere (economics and peace).
No so, Labour have a history of this. Famously Ken Livingstone stood as a Independent for the GLC and instantly changed to Labour on being elected and was just as instantly appointed their GLC leader, much to Tory disgust. Our democracy allows such post electoral changes of allegiance.
Never anything truer posted. No wonder he's keeping such a low profile.
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that's good precedent but I reckon the vast majority of Labour membership is pro Corbyn. He opened the door and brought them in. They in turn won him seats in the last GE. You need a new Messiah or pied piper, DT sets up an equally sensational precedent.
And could win him the next GE. All it needs is for the Tories to slip up, and their banana skin in waiting is the Brexit terms.
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I think you are changing time and circumstance there!
The original bit was you saying: A second referendum toward the end of the transition after the FTA is concluded is what the UK needs to heal the division.
Now you are going on about a situation in which A50 is suspended. Entirely different.
the EU would probably prefer changing the treaty (article 49 and 50) to let the UK cancel A50 during the transition ie instead of calling it the transition, call it extending A50, and let the UK rejoin without forcing the UK to join the Eurozone as a new member.
The Lisbon treaty came about having started in 2004, had rejections of first attempts, then finally ratified in 2009. Just how can anyone seriously suggest that the treaty could be changed by 29 March 2019 at 11 p.m.?