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British manufacturing output slips to ninth globally behind France
Data shows sector starved of investment and losing ground as Brexit uncertainty persists
Brexit, for once some facts.
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British manufacturing output slips to ninth globally behind France
Data shows sector starved of investment and losing ground as Brexit uncertainty persists
Once again, reality bites!
It matters not one jot whether Ford's assessment of their financial predicament is correct or not; any decision to continue in the UK or leave and expand elsewhere, perhaps even creating a new plant, is entirely within their gift and the British government has no control over that situation.
The nation may sit and wait till 2020 before choosing another government but the clarification needed by both foreign businesses in the UK and the people employed by those huge global corporations like the vehicle manufacturers, not to mention the tens of thousands whose survival depends on those employed by them needs to be addressed now before it is too late.
Some humble pie consumption is nothing compared to mass economic and social suicide. This, then, is 'last-chance saloon' for the UK so a 'time-out' must be called and proceedings adjourned for further consideration.
Tom
And the last thing we need is a change of Government than installs one more concerned with honouring the so called "Will of the People" than with doing what is necessary to protect the people of this nation from Sabotage by the "Swivel eyed Loonies" rooting for Brexit for personal advantage.
the key issue is the Corbyn effect.
Labour is still trailing the conservatives in polls.
If there was a snap election:
Labour is for brexit: conservatives lead by 9 points
Labour is against brexit: conservatives lead by 4 points
JC needs to come of the fence and fights for what he believes in. At the moment, he sits on the fence waiting for people to get disillusioned with the tories and vote for him by default. It won't work in this day and age. The world is too fast moving, nobody is going to vote for ditherers.
Not if he actually believes in brexit. Which in many ways is the heart of the matter for Labour.
If JC believes in brexit he either has to shut up and leave it all a bit ambiguous.
If JC doesn't beleive in brexit, ideally if he really is a remainer, then he needs to do everything he can to ensure that there are no barriers to all remainers voting Labour.
UKIP could well be, at least temporarily, an advantage to Labour if at the precise time of the next election they were in a position to split the brexit/tory vote.
Politicians worldwide would serve us all better if they paid heed to the thoughts and vision of the Canadian academic, David Suzuki:
Tom
Tom
Farage is not going to revive UKIP and the latter can only come back to split conservative votes if TM clearly joins the CU and/or the SM before March. She has no intention of doing that, all her Chequers plan needs to achieve is enough qui pro quo so that exporting companies (Japanese car makers, Airbus and RR) won't decamp during the transition.
A second referendum toward the end of the transition after the FTA is concluded is what the UK needs to heal the division.
UKIP members are all anti-socialist so their votes, if not supporting the government, would go to the yellow-belly, laughable demo-rats and we got a perfect example of their principles when they sought out the best deal for their MPs and opted to support the tories in a despicable coalition in 2010.
Today, that awful political grouping is led by no less than that 'man for all seasons', one, Vince Cable, a man who changes his political direction as often as most men change their socks! If anyone hasn't quite got the measure of Cable, Wikipedia has a lengthy pen portrait of him which is worth a read.
Tom
you are completely wrong. There has never been anyone from UKIP claiming on TV that they'd vote LibDems if the government goes for a soft brexit.
On numerous occasions, their members said they'd rather not vote or vote for any brexiter candidate. Can you find me a LibDem brexiter candidate?
you should compare VC against JC.
Libdems have 12 MPs, Labour of 258, and who fights your corner?
Too late. By far.
I don't see any basis for assuming that we can stop brexit by saying we don't like transition, or that transition is proving to be a disaster.
you can only heal the division when there is a clear majority for one side or the other. After 2 years and endless debates (on here), most people are still entrenched in their choice in 2016 You need to see the real FTA, not the outline of one, to be sure that your vote is an informed one and the chance of a clear margin (10%+) is much better in a couple of years.
Of course, that is Rolls-Royce plc, RR car makers decamped long ago.
But what good is that if there is no way of rejoining the EU? If it is too late, the rEU might well refuse to accept any request, application or bended knee supplication.
Your argument is one of giving up - let us leave, let us see what happens, then, umm, say we don't want to be where we are. Fat lot of good that is.
personally, I prefer the Norway or Switzerland model but failing that, Chequers. Of course it's up to the UK's electorate to reverse brexit. We did serve A50 before we are ready, there will be a cost to any decision but the greatest cost is a divided country,
The divided country exists. It won't suddenly change even if many of the brexiteers said they were wrong or conversely, for remainers. Lots and lots of people will not accept extremely clear evidence - either way.
that's why in the absence of a clear margin, the only sensible solution is a soft brexit.
Why do the views of remain have to bend to those of brexit?
The referendum did not identify hardness or softness. So ANY brexit is trampling on the views of those who voted remain.
you could have asked the same question when in the other camp. Farage himself said prophetically: '52/48 is an unsettled business'.
It turns out exactly that.
People have to see what comes out of it and take the appropriate decision afterward. Otherwise, it's just 'he said/she said' and we are all at the mercy of people who throw millions into supporting one pressure group or the others.